12 months of highs and lows. Hit another low and feel like giving up.

Nickles1973

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My horse has had one issue after another for over a year now. It began with bruising of his paper thin soles and diagnosis of hoof imbalances. I followed the vet and farriers advice and and he was shod in straight bar shoes. After 4 months of this his hooves looked bloody awful and he was showing lameness in his back end. I had a new farrier come by and he was horrified by his hooves. Together we worked towards taking him barefoot and this has been ongoing ever since. I have overhauled his diet and spent a fortune on hoof boots to keep him comfortable.
In July I called the vet about his back troubles which I was sure were caused by a freak accident he had in the field. (450Kg pony caught a front leg in the crossed leg straps of his turnout rug) Vet started with flexions etc and diagnosed djd of the fetlock. We had steroids and HA injected but when the lameness persisted the vet moved on to injecting his hocks after inconclusive x-rays. The vet also scanned his suspensory ligaments to rule them out and we then had a diagnosis of bilateral psd. :(
Only then did the vet then accept that it was his S/I actually causing the disunited canter and shortness behind. He has since had Steroids into his S/I and shockwave over his S/I and back.
Ffwd to 27 February and after working closely with a physio and chiro on strengthening his back, S/I and encouraging him to work correctly he was proclaimed sound by the vet and I was advised to start a 6 week fittening program but was also told to enjoy him.
4 days in and thanks to a cock-up by my yard owner a mass stampede was triggered in the field and my horse was at the head of it all.
He is lame in front again. And when I trotted him up in the school on Friday he also looked to be holding himself behind and toe dragging again. (Something with all the physio we'd virtually eliminated)
I am at my wits end. His hooves look from the outside to be so much better than they were but the fact that he is so footy and has seemingly bruised his feet so badly suggests they are not good enough.
I am also gutted that one hooley in the field would be enough to hurt his back/ S/I and that suggests that actually he isn't going to be able to stand up to much work.
I am considering putting shoes back on the front. At least short term to make him more comfortable as I wonder if being sore in front is why he is looking stiff behind too?
Any suggestions as to what my next move should be would be much appreciated. I am sitting in a pool of self pity at the mo and am seriously considering throwing in the towel.
Tripple choc cookies and hot chocolate to anyone that has got this far.
 
I spoke to my farrier about going barefoot with one of my horses and he said if I did it I would have to expect him to be slightly foot sore for the first 2 years while his feet fully grew out and hardened. I would suggest to either wait a bit longer for your horses feet to harden and become used to being barefoot, or put him back in front shoes.

Also, do you have your horse on any hoof supplements, such as biotin?
 
How very disheartening for you after all the hard work and patience but isn't that just horses for you , you seem to be getting somewhere and then one incident takes it all away

Don't give up it does take a long time for a horse to adjust to being barefoot it has been four years since we took the shoes of our mare and put her in foal due to an injury and she became sound last year so may try bringing her into work this year.

This for you is to long to wait so maybe front shoes are the answer. Another horse we have has had ongoing back and stifle problems and decided to try something different Bowen Therapy this has improved her overall and she seems generally stronger may not work for everyone but worth considering.
 
I spoke to my farrier about going barefoot with one of my horses and he said if I did it I would have to expect him to be slightly foot sore for the first 2 years while his feet fully grew out and hardened. I would suggest to either wait a bit longer for your horses feet to harden and become used to being barefoot, or put him back in front shoes.

Also, do you have your horse on any hoof supplements, such as biotin?

Your farrier doesn't know what he's talking about. A horse should not be left sore for two years to go barefoot.

Anyone else in this position check out the diet advice on barefoot threads and if that doesn't work test your horse for IR and Cushings.
 
Don't give up it does take a long time for a horse to adjust to being barefoot

It shouldn't.

Many horses take no time at all. Most horses take weeks. Some horses take longer, but only months. If your horse is not comfortable after one foot growth (4-6 months) check diet and disease issues.
 
Nickles I think you need to get your vet to a specialist equine hospital and leave him there for a full range of diagnostics to get to the bottom of what his problems really are. Probably including a full body scintigraph. If you are not insured and can't afford that, then if he was mine I'd be looking at putting him to sleep, he has so many issues. Sorry.
 
I'm not sure he actually *has* that many issues - I think the list feels horribly long because of various false starts? Or have I misread?
 
cptrayes - Sorry, but I think you are wrong about going barefoot. If a horse is used to wearing shoes and has them taken off the foot will be sore. I have spoken to barefoot specialists at shows about this in the past as well and they always advise that each horse is different, but in many cases horses will become slightly foot sore while they adjust.

Thank you, but my farrier does know what he is talking about.
 
Nickles I think you need to get your vet to a specialist equine hospital and leave him there for a full range of diagnostics to get to the bottom of what his problems really are. Probably including a full body scintigraph. If you are not insured and can't afford that, then if he was mine I'd be looking at putting him to sleep, he has so many issues. Sorry.

This is quite extreme as it doesn't sound to me that the horse is ready to be put down! I would speak to your vet to find out what the options are before even considering this. You still have the option of trying your horse with front shoes again and could also try turning him away for a bit to see if that helps.
 
Nickles I think you need to get your vet to a specialist equine hospital and leave him there for a full range of diagnostics to get to the bottom of what his problems really are. Probably including a full body scintigraph. If you are not insured and can't afford that, then if he was mine I'd be looking at putting him to sleep, he has so many issues. Sorry.

Thank's, I thought I had hit a low point but I should have guessed HHO could take me lower. :(

My Vet has refered to the often mentioned Sue Dyson at the AHT regarding his Psd and they both agreed that the damage was not significant. (gave it a 3/10 in terms of severity)
His S/I had responded well to the physio and chiro treatments and he was looking much stronger and lifting his hinds well when assessed by the vet on 27th. I am hopeful that after some rest and more physio we can get back to where we were with that.
Since the djd of the fetlock was not severe (hock spavin was only suspected as no changes visible on x-ray) in theory I could have those injected again if it was thought they were troubling him.
My main concern is the fact that I am struggling with keeping him barefoot even though I feel I am trying my very best to achieve it.
 
I can,t really help much, but I wanted to say I am sorry you are having such a rough time! My boy has been barefoot for a year now and is constantly up and down, it is hard when others get results so much quicker especially as I have tried to get everything right with him!
I have found Bowen Therapy as someone else mentioned very helpful in making him much more comfortable! I hope things improve for you soon. x
 
If you think shoes will help, then try it.

The original issue was that the shoes had been on so long (back to back shoeing) that the hooves were deformed and needed a restart.

The hooves are much better now to take a shoe.

Some horses are "too far gone" to go barefoot full time without extraordinary measures and there is no shame in using shoes if that is the best option for the horse.....
 
Thank you to those of you that have given supportive and useful replies. I think tbh I am feeling the strains of the last 12 months at the end of what has seemed to be have been a relentless winter.
I know that the constant wet and boggy ground in some areas of his field has made his feet soft and succeptable to the lumps and bumps which were quite hard last weekend after 2 weeks of no rain. (Time of hooley) It's now resumed it's sloppy soup like appearence so I'm guessing he will at least not be so sore while standing out there.
I have talked to my very understanding and excellent farrier and we are going to discuss options of reshoeing him next week. I am reluctant to undo all the good the last 6 months have done but it might be best to shoe him in front at least untill ground conditions are more consistent. I can't give up completely as I have seen the good that not shoeing him has done.
I am in the process of hopefully getting him to a new yard. With luck and his good behaviour we could be there at the end of this month. The new YO is a vet.
I have used Mctimmony, Bowen, Traditional Chiro and Physio in a rotation for the last 4 years. I have found that all are equally as good and I will continue to ask my trusted practitioners for their opinions where G's long term happiness is concerned.
Thank you again, if nothing else reading your replies have given me a little clarity.
 
cptrayes - Sorry, but I think you are wrong about going barefoot. .

Tell that to the horse who has now been sound for three years who was about to be put to sleep for his incurable foot problems. And the one out in my yard now who had been unsound for four years and is now sound.

Does a single horse leave Rockley after 12 weeks still hobbling on stones, never mind TWO YEARS that your farrier says it will take?

How many have you done?

It does NOT and should not take years for horses to become comfortable barefoot and if a particular horse does then it should be put back into shoes, not left uncomfortable for that length of time.
 
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Thank's, I thought I had hit a low point but I should have guessed HHO could take me lower. :(

My Vet has refered to the often mentioned Sue Dyson at the AHT regarding his Psd and they both agreed that the damage was not significant. (gave it a 3/10 in terms of severity)

Could have done with being told that earlier, my advice would have been different. I can only judge by what people write.

Put shoes on the horse. See if he is happier in them. I hope things work out.
 
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Nickles I think you need to get your vet to a specialist equine hospital and leave him there for a full range of diagnostics to get to the bottom of what his problems really are. Probably including a full body scintigraph. If you are not insured and can't afford that, then if he was mine I'd be looking at putting him to sleep, he has so many issues. Sorry.

OMG that is very harsh and not even knowing all the facts!!! Nickles he will be fine talk to the farrier and see what he says.
 
I agree with Oberon; if the feet are healthier now and you think shoes may help his other issues too then give them a try. So long as you keep up a good diet and give his feet a yearly break from shoes then they shouldn't end up in the state that lead to some of his problems :).
 
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