2 New Lhasa Apsos on Friday night - ones at the vets tomorrow :-((

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Hi,
i am not sure why i am posting but i guess it's a mixture of worry and guilt!

My family have had 2 Lhasa apsos over the years, one at a time, the last we lost at 19 years old 3.5 years ago. My parents felt they couldnt have another until last week when they announced they were going to see one! my mum had always wanted to breed a litter and did actually buy a puppy bitch when old dog was about 3, she had to be returned to her breeder though as she had a double hernia, needless to say my mum gave up on the idea!

Then on thursday, i saw an advert for 2 Lhasas, both KC reg, unrelated, having to be sold together due to family circumstances. i told my parents about it and they arranged to view the next evening - we bought them, (friday evening), they needed a clip/bath etc so were booked straight into the salon for saturday, the groomer called my father to say she had to stop part way through the males clip as she had found quite a lump. My parents have showed me it and OMG - it's larger than an egg, underneath by his boy area. I honestly dont think the seller knew, the dog is already under a vet for egg drops etc and he was very upfront about it.

I am so worried, the size of it is rather scarey! i feel so bad at the fact my parents could be able to face heartache when they have only just got them (and are very attached already!), the fact they are going to face a vets bill isnt a big issue as we obv want whats best for him but i do feel guilty about it! I'm worried at it does not look a good lump at all! he seems well in himself - but obv we dont know how he normally is. He is rather underweight - which i imagine is related to the lump. I am hoping and praying that it's just a build up of crystals as our old Lhasa suffered from that every now and then, he never had a lump with them but we had him straight at the vets hence i guess they never had chance to build up?

fingers crossed it's treatable :-/
 
Sound suspiciously like an umbilical hernia to me.. Do your parents not physically check the dogs before getting them??! If it is an umbilical hernia, I believe it is recommended not to breed them as it can be heritable.
 
it's the wrong side of his manhood to be an umbilical hernia, it may of course still be some form of hernia.
It was a weird experience going to buy them i have to say. i went with them and it was well, weird! the seller was in floods of tears etc about having to part with them, none of use thought to have a darn good feel of them as he was upfront about what he had been seen by the vet for last week etc. To be honest though, they were rather matted etc hence i very much doubt it would have been easily felt.
The pair have previously bred so one would assume that they were checked etc before having litters but you never know. I'm in the process of searching google images to see if i can find anything similar but fingers crossed the vet will know from simply looking at it.
 
TBH this sounds a bit backstreet breeding :/ Are this pair good show specimens? Why do your parents want to breed these two dogs as opposed to going and finding a really good bitch and breeding her to a stud dog? Doesn't sound like the quality is coming first before good opportunities to just have a litter of pups. I appreciate you may not have that much input as it is your parents but that's what it sounds like. Is it in his actual testicles?
 
Are your parents planning on breeding them? If so, why? Unknown history, dog with a lump and having been on Many Tears (I like a good cry some days!) there are currently ex breeding Lhasas up for re-homing on there. Are they health tested? (You can check on the KC health checker if you have their pedigrees/prefixes)

I agree with SusieT: find a really good pair from which to breed.

Hope the little man is going to be OK, sounds like your parents could do without more heart break.
 
Their breeding is actually really good, and both have lines in that my parents sought, the previous owners parents are lhasa breeders and helped him to find there 2 as pups, he travelled to 2 different sides of the country for each of them for lines/featurers to compliment each other. IMO, the male is smaller than i would expect him to be, but our last one was bred by one of the countries top breeders and was top show quality - we arent in to showing though and he was just a pet for 19 years, she is known though to be trying to breed larger hence i dare say why this one seems smaller than i expected. The previous owner only bred 1 litter of pups from them as they were his family pets mainly for his children. Their history isnt unknown, they had been with their old owner since both were 12 weeks, yes we only have his say so etc but he was a very genuine man, i doubt many men would be in floods of tears unable to talk due to being that upset at seeing them go.

The lump isnt his/in his testicles, we are at the vets at lunch time, the vets are also calling the dogs old vets to get his file faxed over before we arrive as he was only seen by the vets last month.
 
UPDATE - hmmm.... the vet wants to do a biopsy and ultrasound scan on it, he is booked in for thursday morning. She has said that due to its location, and the fact it seems to have lots of veins on it, that it may be a matter that it's too risky to remove it regardless. The ultrasound should give them a better opinion of the best way to proceed.
The vets had managed to get the old owners vets to send over his notes and they go back to 2006 - there is no mention of the lump.
Spoke to the old owner, he didnt notice the lump at all but apparently asked his vet to give them a once over when they had their jabs last month - so, it's either been missed or it's a rapid growing nasty!
i've taken a few photos of the lump to share with you but will have to try and find my phone cable to upload them.
 
It sounds like a bigger biopsy, hence why the want to do the scan 1st so they can find the exact best place to take the samples from. He also has a tiny lump (the size of a small garden pea) on his neck so she has made a note of that and said to keep an eye on that one.

My parents are torn, my mum thinks if it's bad news then to PTS straight away, my dad believes that whilst he remains happy, and healthy/pain free (apart from the visual lump of course) then let him have a few months or however long he has, then the second he starts to seem unhappy, then PTS. From the way the vet was talking, she is doubtful it can be removed :-((

Fingers crossed for thursday!
 
They are both 6. When the old owner sold them it was on the proviso they stayed together, as they have been together since pups. Thankfully, from what i can tell, the female isnt too clingy with the dog, whereas the dog panics if he cant see the female. Hence if/when he goes to rainbow bridge, at least she should cope better than if it was the other way around if that makes sense.
 
Don't breed. Regardless of the outcome. Figures range from 30-50 dogs being put down EVERY day and your puppies mean another dog loses a potential home.
 
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