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Chestnut mare said:
Thank you- it's just to hire one occasionally. So would 1 pony, 1 horse. 2 lot of tack etc, hay and 3 people be pushing our luck?
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probably not one horse @650 kg one pony @350 kg only equals 1 tonne 3 people @70 kg each =210 kg
[average weights] a bale of hay approx 20 kg ditto both sets of tack. doesnt even add up to 1 and 1/2 tonnes. You need to know the weight of the vehicle if its less than 2 tonne then you are ok.
 
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My 3.5t has a payload of 1200kgs. so one horse 650kg pony 350kg, pluss full tank of diesel - 100kg would leave 100kg for you and tack. Its close but dooable!
 
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Chestnut mare said:
Hi,
Does anyone know if you can drive these lorries on a car licence? I can't tow a trailer as passed after the new law came in and will need to take a test!
Just wondering.....
Thanks :).
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On a B licence you can drive any vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes GVW

You can also tow on a B licence .......

I have managed to find a simple way of determining whether a driver can tow something on a B only licence -

To tow over 750 kgs with a B licence you need to say NO to the following:-

Is the plated MAM of the trailer more than the UNLADEN/KERB/EMPTY weight of the towing vehicle?

Does the GVW of the towing vehicle plus the plated MAM of the trailer add up to more than 3500 kgs?

Is the ACTUAL weight of the empty trailer and its load more than the listed towing capacity?

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Example of legally towing over 750 kgs with a B licence - made up figures but not that far from what can be found....

Towing vehicle -
Unladen/empty/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2000
Towing capacity = 1800

Trailer -
Unladen/empty = 800
MAM = 1500 (originally a 2000 MAM but downplated by manufacturer so it conforms to B licence towing)

Load trailer with 700 max

Reasons it is legal for towing on a B licence -
The 1500 MAM of the trailer is not more than the 1500 unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
The 2000 GVW of the towing vehicle plus the 1500 MAM of the trailer is not more than 3500
The towing capacity/actual weight being towed does not exceed 1800


Here is a real example - http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=10225695&postcount=36
 
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I am I'n the same boat as you (too young ;)) but my competing pal and I ( predominantly endurance) worked out our 14.2 and 15.1 plus weight of kit, tack, water, box essentials and us meant we where too close to the weight limit for comfort. Vosa are quite hot on 3.5 tonners and we would rather carry more stuff than necessary and not get fined, competing is expensive enough already! So I get chauffeured around now instead :)
 
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Grumpy Jewel said:
I am I'n the same boat as you (too young ;)) but my competing pal and I ( predominantly endurance) worked out our 14.2 and 15.1 plus weight of kit, tack, water, box essentials and us meant we where too close to the weight limit for comfort. Vosa are quite hot on 3.5 tonners and we would rather carry more stuff than necessary and not get fined, competing is expensive enough already! So I get chauffeured around now instead :)
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Everyone with a B licence also have the provisional B+E licence so if you are being chauffered in a B+E set up then why not put on L plates, make sure insurance is ok and then share the driving?
 
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could you hire\borrow a lorry ?fill the tank; load with horse pony and everything else inc tack and people and water and hay etc etc etc. Take to local weigh bridge ;[some builders merchants have them BTW.]Then you know what it all weights and you know if you can buy one or not. You may have to trailer the horses to the weigh bridge then load them at the premises into the lorry.
 
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Horsesforever1 said:
probably not one horse @650 kg one pony @350 kg only equals 1 tonne 3 people @70 kg each =210 kg
[average weights] a bale of hay approx 20 kg ditto both sets of tack. doesnt even add up to 1 and 1/2 tonnes. You need to know the weight of the vehicle if its less than 2 tonne then you are ok.
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Very few 3.5t lorries have a payload of more than 1.2t, and I have yet to find one that has more than 1.4t.

Basically, you can take two ponies, but highly unlikely to be within the weight limit with two horses, or even a horse and a pony once you factor in everything you take with you, fuel, etc.

Mine has a 1.2t payload and I flat out refuse to take extra horses.
 
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You could always take your lorry test? We already had a 7.5 tonner so I took mine, seemed to make more sense than selling it and buying a 3.5 tonner.

It costs about a grand all in but worth the investment I think.
 
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ROG said:
On a B licence you can drive any vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes GVW

You can also tow on a B licence .......

I have managed to find a simple way of determining whether a driver can tow something on a B only licence -

To tow over 750 kgs with a B licence you need to say NO to the following:-

Is the plated MAM of the trailer more than the UNLADEN/KERB/EMPTY weight of the towing vehicle?

Does the GVW of the towing vehicle plus the plated MAM of the trailer add up to more than 3500 kgs?

Is the ACTUAL weight of the empty trailer and its load more than the listed towing capacity?

==========================================================


Example of legally towing over 750 kgs with a B licence - made up figures but not that far from what can be found....

Towing vehicle -
Unladen/empty/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2000
Towing capacity = 1800

Trailer -
Unladen/empty = 800
MAM = 1500 (originally a 2000 MAM but downplated by manufacturer so it conforms to B licence towing)

Load trailer with 700 max

Reasons it is legal for towing on a B licence -
The 1500 MAM of the trailer is not more than the 1500 unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
The 2000 GVW of the towing vehicle plus the 1500 MAM of the trailer is not more than 3500
The towing capacity/actual weight being towed does not exceed 1800


Here is a real example - http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=10225695&postcount=36
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So does anyone know of a 4x4 and trailer combination that would fit this criteria :)
 
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