80cm hunter trial today - we've found our steering :) But......

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Well I thought I could post just for the comedy value.....

I managed to get a late entry to a local hunter trial today, and went for the 80cm class. Walked the course yesterday and felt absolutely fine, nothing that bothered me in the least - cue instant worry about whether I was being totally cocky and arrogant, or whether I was being realistic!

Arrived today and I knew what I had to do - got him ready and warmed up according to my plan, luckily there was a lot of room so I really got him going in a lovely forward canter on both reins, to try and get enthusiasm and oomph! It seemed to work well, he was being pretty zingy in the warm up and we jumped a few times with clear steering and no problems

The first fence wasn't that far away from the start so leg on, forward riding and clear steering - he tried to wobble and I was firm, ditto with fence 2 which was a relatively narrow box. Then fence 3.....and he simply ground to a halt right in front of the fence. I was kicking and steering, I smacked him with the whip, but there was just nothing there! Represented and he popped it fine.

So we carried on.... he was wobbly, I was determined and steered, we jumped! Then again at fence 7......all forward movement disappeared, and we stopped. And again, jumped it fine the second time.

So we carried on..... he was getting slightly less wobbly, but still not quite as forward as I would like. Got to fence 19, he had a hissy fit approaching the fence, I insisted and steered, he whipped sideways and slipped right over onto his side, dumping me onto the ground. I had a heart stopping 2-seconds-that-felt-like-an-hour while he lay there, then I stood up and said 'come on then' and he got up - thank goodness! I checked him over, walked him around, trotted him around in hand - he seemed fine. I was pretty disgusted that not a single official came over to see if we were OK I must say. I used a small fence to get back on and walked and trotted him under saddle, he seemed absolutely normal so I thought we would pop a small fence to end on a good note. He jumped with huge enthusiasm, so I went on to the next fence which was the one we had fallen at - again, lovely jump and really forward

So we finished the course in brilliant style, he was fabulously forward and lovely to ride. I steered and kicked, nothing was a problem - it was fabulous :) :) :)

Then he finished off the day by smacking me in the head with his head when I was washing him off, dislodging a contact lens which will never been seen again!

So today's learning points are to ALWAYS put studs in whatever the ground is like, and always carry a spare pair of contact lenses in the car :D (I did have my glasses, but I hate wearing them!)

And if anyone has any ideas on how I stop the sluggish coming-to-a-halt business I would LOVE to hear them, it is so frustrating because it isn't predictable and he can be amazing!

I was on my own again, so just a picture of him grazing happily afterwards....

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Ouch - you ok? Always think it's worse when the horse goes over because you get less warning than a normal unplanned dismount.
 
Ouch - you ok? Always think it's worse when the horse goes over because you get less warning than a normal unplanned dismount.

I have some nice bruising developing on my right knee, my right elbow and - weirdly - the knuckles on my right hand :D The knee has taken the brunt of it, but overall I am fine thanks :) Just hoping Jensen trots up sound tomorrow.....
 
Hope you're ok lev - I would say it's just his lack of confidence still that is making him stop given that he goes forward and over when you re-present.

I would rather the slowing down and stopping than the forward until the last minute and slamming on the breaks. Keep at it :)
 
Well done for getting back up and finishing the course. Mine sometimes does that losing energy and come to a halt thing. I think it's usually when I'm a tad nervous and he senses it, or sometimes when he's a bit nappy. Mine takes his confidence from his rider, which is unfortunate for both of us ;)
A defensive seat and a steady squeeze with the legs for the last few strides tends to do the trick. Also look up and widen your reins. Also, be positive, you just jumped 1.10!
 
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Ooo, hope you and he are OK in the morning. Glad he pinged home afterwards the silly Billy.
 
Ooh hope you aren't sore after the fall! Well done for getting back on though.

Whereabouts are you based Lev? If you're in the South East I'd be happy to come and take photos for you if you're ever competing near me :)
 
Ooh hope you aren't sore after the fall! Well done for getting back on though.

Whereabouts are you based Lev? If you're in the South East I'd be happy to come and take photos for you if you're ever competing near me :)

Ah I am in Gloucestershire unfortunately :) I think there was an 'official' photographer today so hoping she/he might have got us going over a fence :)

Wheels/mule - thank you that is encouraging in an odd way - I will keep persevering :)

We have an 80cm ODE at Elmwood next Saturday, i am really excited but also wondering what next he can pull out of the bag :D Studs, spare contact lenses and lots of defensive seat/leg on very strongly/clear steering coming up! :)
 
I thought he was a keen jumper? Sounds like he's got something bothering him, either mentally (lost confidence?) or physically, and I'd personally be checking that out before planning any further competing.
Hope neither of you are too sore tomorrow.
 
I thought he was a keen jumper? Sounds like he's got something bothering him, either mentally (lost confidence?) or physically, and I'd personally be checking that out before planning any further competing.
Hope neither of you are too sore tomorrow.

He is - IF he feels in the right mood, hence the 110cm jumping yesterday :) He is regularly treated by a physio etc, I have no doubt he is in great physical condition - he needs to get out there and get some more experience :)
 
Could you do some pairs classes? Think you are similar ares to me as i've been to Elmwood lots- PM if you'd like :)
 
Yikes hope you’re both ok. That’s bad that no one was there to check you out or help you. A lot of events now are under BE rules I think and don’t allow you to carry on after a fall, but iirc PC does still let you, is that right? Trying to get my rules figures out!

I had some good advice on my thread about napping which I’m hoping to work on. Getting him properly forward, smaller or solo xc lessons, pairs, leg on and riding positively, and then just more comp experience really. You’re doing really well and from other people’s threads it does seem like it’s practice more than anything and they do improve.
 
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He is - IF he feels in the right mood, hence the 110cm jumping yesterday :) He is regularly treated by a physio etc, I have no doubt he is in great physical condition - he needs to get out there and get some more experience :)

I have to agree with jb that something is amiss, it is rarely because they are in a bad mood that causes consistent stopping, even if the stops are inconsistent in what causes them, I think you would both benefit from dropping down a level and having a couple of confidence boosting runs over fences he can jump from a trot so he really has no excuses, however well he schools at home it does not always transfer to a competition situation where he is less focused.
I would be a little concerned that you are still feeling the need to "steer" into fences, he should be looking where he is going and locking on by now, I went to watch a very green horse at his first BE yesterday and despite a few wobbles it was obvious he was locking on and taking his rider into the fences in a very positive way so they achieved a super double clear, even so they are dropping down a level for the next unaff so he can continue to gain experience and confidence, there is no shame in dropping down to help the horse become more established if you are having a few issues, that said I hope it goes well next weekend.
 
Eeek, hope you're both not too sore after that! I've gone over with B before when XC schooling. Grass was a bit damp and we just slid over (quite slowly!) on a sweeping turn. I jumped up really shocked and worried. B took his time and half sat up - and proceeded to munch on the grass whilst he was down there! It's really scary so I'm glad you both got straight back up!

For the stopping - this is the sort of thing B will do. It tends to happen at the innocuous fences which you think he should just happily pop without much encouragement. This is the problem for me, he stops at fences when I stop riding! Sometimes I don't even realise I'm doing it. A good question to ask yourself on the approach - am I riding positively into this fence and not taking for granted that he will just jump it?

Another thing I've learned recently - B is very adjustable in the canter just using your seat alone. I tend to sit in the saddle maybe 4-5 strides away from the jump, but this can really slow everything down too much and can sap the energy and impulsion when coming out of a forward seat and forward canter. The latest advice I've received is to stay out of the saddle for as long as possible (1 or 2 strides out), especially at the straightforward fences. How far out from the fence are you sitting up to set him up? Could this be having the same effect like with my horse?

Just some musings from someone who has similar issues!
 
Pleased to say he was completely sound and fine this morning :) I’m very relieved :)

Unfortunately he spooked at a tractor and knocked me over on the concrete yard just as I was about to trot him up, he trod on my arm so currently in A&E getting it checked out (impressive bruising!)
 
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Pleased to say he was completely sound and fine this morning :) I’m very relieved :)

Unfortunately he spooked at a tractor and knocked me over on the concrete yard just as I was about to trot him up, he trod on my arm so currently in A&E getting it checked out (impressive bruising!)

You are in the wars this weekend! Hope that's just bruising too......
 
Now I’ve got through the A&E thing I can reply properly - thanks for all your helpful comments :) :)

Embo that is really pertinent to yesterday - the initial fences were not massively far apart so I very much suspect that fence 3 was a result of me sitting for too long on the approach to the fence? It was that usual thing that I thought I was keeping my leg on and thinking forward - but was I really??!!

I’ve got a couple of XC clinics coming up which hopefully should be really helpful to let me identify what is going on :)

Luckily my arm isn’t broken from this morning’s episode although there is some pretty amazing bruising which will apparently get worse before it improves. It puts the minor stuff from yesterday into the shade for sure :D Although I was all set to go off to Surrey for a work course today, it was only when my FB friends looked at the photo and told me to go to A&E that I actually turned the car round and came back :)
 
have you thought about thye amount of work he does relating to how he performs? If he was jumping saturday at a level he was not used to could he simply have had tired muscles on sunday?
 
have you thought about thye amount of work he does relating to how he performs? If he was jumping saturday at a level he was not used to could he simply have had tired muscles on sunday?

He could have had tired muscles but I would be quite surprised, he probably jumped about a dozen fences max on Saturday? And that wouldn’t really account for why he was so much better as the course went on?
 
Glad you are both OK.

BE do not allow you to continue after a fall. I'm surprised PC do as they are usually incredibly safety conscious but any rate sounds like it did him good to get a few positive, confident jumps in after that.
 
Glad you are both OK.

BE do not allow you to continue after a fall. I'm surprised PC do as they are usually incredibly safety conscious but any rate sounds like it did him good to get a few positive, confident jumps in after that.

I was pretty surprised too AE - but then nobody even seemed to acknowledge our fall at all TBH??!! The event was run under PC rules, to be honest generally I have no idea what those actually are :)

The change when we re-started was incredible, really Jensen jumping at his very best :)
 
It's pretty bad that no-one checked you were ok. When my friend fell off at a BE event she just rode off the course back to her lorry and there were stewards hunting for her and making announcements for her to go to the secretaries tent as the doc had to check her over.
 
If I'm reading it right OP, you didn't have studs in at your hunter trial.

My connie has never had stud holes and so far doesn't seem to need them, but hubby's ID refuses to consider jumping on grass without studs, and makes a frightful drama out of it, chipping in and being so so sticky even over 60cm fences.

Something to consider??

Fiona
 
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