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Sorry long but here it goes ....

My laid back little 10 month old colt lives out 24/ 7 with his mate Thomas who is a year old and gelded and has done since about Christmas time. Tom's owner has the field next to mine with a mix of Mares and geldings so it was a nice swap, my mare went in with hers and her lad came in with mine once he was delivered to her - we all lived happily ever after until last night !! My lads new fave hobby is learning to flirt with the mares whos bums are stuck at him through the fence - he has a bit of a twitch and a sniff and then goes off again in search of some more grass, he plays with his mate a bit of rough and tumble but nothing to write home about and they both give as good as they get. My lad was due to be gelded 2 weeks ago but after a bad reaction to a flu jab it got put off and I decided to wait until autumn re flies etc and he is so well behaved, spoke to YO he is fine with this as he has no concerns at all because you wouldn't even know he had a pair !! But now it seems spring really is in the air as last night Toms owner was up before me and took them some hay - she says my colt actually penetrated Thomas - now I have seen this lad run mine off some hay so find it hard to believe that it was THAT bad + YO agrees but we are both of the opinion just to get on with it and let her do what she thinks is best.

Got a text saying she was taking Tom out of the field tonight leaving Fitz on his own as it was dangerous and she was very worried and that my mare needs to come out of her field. I went up and had a word with my lad, we needed a little chat, he looked a bit glum on his own but was settled and there were others either side and brought his mum in for the night. I am ok with her decision - sometimes things don't work out, and it is her horse and her field - I have arranged this morning for him to go in and be gelded on Wednesday morning and in the mean time he can have the field in the day and mare at night swapping over, it is a bit more work for me for a while but thats the way things have to be !! Although I am gutted the weee man as lost his mate :-(

So imagine my shock this morning when she had turned Tom back out in my field with my colt ........at first I thought he might have jumped back in!!!! but checked with YO and he said she hadn't wanted Fitz to be on his own and will start from tomorrow - I do not understand the logic ?? he was on his own last night - and will be now for another 6 weeks ! I just dont get it !!!!!! ( I sound like Louis from last weeks BGT !!!) If he was that dangerous why would you do that , it is worth adding that they were both grazing very nicely together when I was there.

END OF RANT !! This woman is my friend and I do not want to fall out at all but I needed to sound off - Wish us luck for next weeks op please any tips will be fab


PS God give us rain :-)
 
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Your friend is right to be concerned, and what a kind friend she is to recognise your colt's loneliness and return her gelding to the field (risking damage.....)

You should be hugging her not ranting about her.
 
Maybe she was concerned the colt's behaviour would become more 'coltish', and thought autumn was too long to leave her gelding in with a youngster getting increasingly hormone-fuelled.... but being a friend, now she knows it will only be 6 weeks, she may feel a little guilty she pushed too hard and is trying to make amends, and not letting the little guy suffer?
 
Amy May I agree and have never said she shouldn't be concered - If anything I feel a bit uncomfortable that she has put him back in with my "DANGEROUS" colt after all who is liable if he does cause any damage ??? ME. I tried to show in my post that I understand the concern and have accepted the situation perhaps this did not come across.

Any constructive suggestions re my lonely colt prior to wednesday ?? Stable him 24/7 has been a thought but not a step I want to take as right now he has company either side + he will be very lonely in a stable barn on his own for nearly a week don't you think or is that the better option ??
 
Ladylina83 said:
Amy May I agree and have never said she shouldn't be concered - If anything I feel a bit uncomfortable that she has put him back in with my "DANGEROUS" colt after all who is liable if he does cause any damage ??? ME.
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No - not you. Her. Because she has decided that the risk to her is acceptable.

As for what to do with your colt, put your mare back in with him.
 
She may as well have left it as you'd rearranged, him out in the day and his mum out at night, Its not as if he couldn't see any other horses, they were either side.

I wouldn't do that if I thought my horse was at risk, bit strange. Its understandable she was concerned he could have damaged her horse's back. I can't imagine he reached
2nd base mind you, but I wasn't there to witness it so can't really comment.
 
Crazydancer said:
Maybe she was concerned the colt's behaviour would become more 'coltish', and thought autumn was too long to leave her gelding in with a youngster getting increasingly hormone-fuelled.... but being a friend, now she knows it will only be 6 weeks, she may feel a little guilty she pushed too hard and is trying to make amends, and not letting the little guy suffer?
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Perhaps yes, I think perhaps shes made a rash decision last night after one instance of bad behaviour, because if she had said to me I am worried I would have brought it forward anyway, I need to be as responsible as poss and the last thing I would want is to put another horse in danger - I didn't tell anyone yet that he is being done ! I know he is mine but I am not trying to play his behaviour down everyone always tells me how well behaved he is and only the night before she was saying what a lovely relationship they both have together!

I think I kind of wish she'd just talked to me
 
amymay said:
As for what to do with your colt, put your mare back in with him.
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What and let him mount his own mother - I'd end up with something with 5 hoofs !! the indiscriminate breeding clique would have me shot !! :-)

Lollii said:
Quote: she says my colt actually penetrated Thomas -

Would a colt do that to a gelding? :confused::eek: never have heard of that before :confused:
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I know - more so would a gelding actually let a colt do that to him ??? :-0 I honestly don't know !!
 
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amymay said:
No - not you. Her. Because she has decided that the risk to her is acceptable.

As for what to do with your colt, put your mare back in with him.
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Please don't do this... although still young he could serve his dam - even for a while after he has been cut.

Is there any chance you can run another run of fencing about a meter in from the mare's field? That way he cannot get too close and hopefully can stay friends with his pal and have company whilst his body adjusts to the removal of his 'bits'
 
for goodness sake they are doing what young uns do, and there definitely would not be any penetration whilst it might look like it is happening, unless the colt has shoes on in front it is not going to injure the geldings back the only injurys they might sustain is on the inside of their canon bones from their hooves while frolicking about, thank her for her concern but tell her to stop worrying, it is good for young uns to learn to play and be put in their place by others, it turns them in to better horses than those that are left on their own. What happens in the wild - does the good lord upstairs rush down and stop the young uns playing, their horses?
 
Yuck poor pony got bummed, I wouldn't put him back with yours for anything tbh.

Regards your mare, be prepared for a pregnancy, it's only a matter of time.

And regarding gelding, it may take a few months for this behaviour to stop, it's not an overnight fix.
 
Op, he may try and mount his own mother, which I agree is not without risk - however I'm not sure what option you have, other than to keep him on his own until he's gelded. Alone in the field carries a risk, stables until weds is unfair...

He has not displayed bad behaviour, just natural behaviour for a colt. But if it were my gelding he were mounting I too would be unhappy - the risk of damage is too great.

So the choices you have to make in the immediate are all about risk....
 
amymay said:
Op, he may try and mount his own mother, which I agree is not without risk - however I'm not sure what option you have, other than to keep him on his own until he's gelded. Alone in the field carries a risk, stables until weds is unfair...
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So the chance of him covering his dam is preferable to stabling him for five days... Hmm...
 
I would think it was almost impossible for him to penetrate another male - bum holes are kept shut by a sphincter whereas a vulva is meant for the job, so I really wouldn't worry about that. Injuries to the back of the horse underneath, and the chest muscles of the mounter are definitely possible but colts have been mounting each other since the year dot - its what young boys of many species do all the time as they learn what to do. Don't forget that even after he has had the snip he is still perfectly capable of getting a mare pregnant for at least 6 weeks so don't be putting him straight back in with his mother.
 
When my yearling colt plays with the geldings, it is rough and tumble all the way - it looks brutal, but it's their way!I would be jolly amazed that a gelding could be penetrated by a colt - most would kick the colt into the middle of next week, end of story!
 
Hi - thanks all , Lets get this straight as I mentioned in my OP there is catagorically no chance of him being in the same field as his mother at the same time for at least six weeks - They is no chance I would even consider it !!Right now Fitz is in and mare is out - it is only a 2 acre paddock so they are never far from others.

Rang my friend before to clear the air - she's having a bad time at home atm. I made sure she realised I do not mind what she does with her horses and in a couple of weeks time I am confident the boys will be back together again snoozing in the sun and all this will be forgotten. The balls are the problem ... but hey a weeks time and they will be gone. I am worried about the flies a bit but not as worried as I am about him being on his own all summer!!!. There are horses either side at night when he is in and horses close by in the day.

...... Friend did say that Thomas went out fine with the mares but just stood near the fence talking to Fitz after she moved him this afternoon !!!

Agree with the comments re boys being boys, thats why they were together in the first place, to learn and grow up together. I am calmer about it now, especially as the op is booked !! it will all work itself out, we'll cope :-)

Any tips re the flies ?? once he is cut there is another field he can use with loads of grass 24/7 to ease the swelling.
 
I have 2 boys, one gelded, the other - long story, he has one testicle, it hadnt dropped when vet came to castrate them, and on his advice took the one that was down- had mares at the time. Anyway, it dropped a week later, as they do!! but havn't gotten round to having the other taken out. My dad called a few weeks ago, and was able to tell me straight away that he was a colt, even though he was behaving very well. In fairness to him, unless you have that 6th sense that my dad does, you'd never know he had a testicle. the 2 of them are together 24/7, and thats the way it will stay until they are ridden, and possibly sold, regardless of behaviour. I will get him done once the flies have gone away, but would much prefer to her two friends messing about than any mares covered.
My father-in-law, (well kind of), was asked by a neighbour to help him catch the mare, her 4 year old colt and their 2 year old filly, neither of which were handled. Now the filly didnt have 5 hooves, but was mentally retarded because of the breeding. She was pts eventually, as she was nuts, in a very bad way!! Disgraceful carry on from owner as far as i'm concerned. He could have asked for help in catching the young colt before he covered his own mother. Some people!!! I'd def stable for the few days involved, in fairness, it's 5 days out of his intire life, he'll probably get over it!!!!

Hope you get sorted, and that your little man is ok after op, I had 2 done 3 years ago, the quiet one was fine, the stupid one, who you couldnt really handle without full body armour swelled up, and had to have a course of anti-biotics-typical!!!! Keep us posted on how you get on!!!
 
Just a little update really as I my boy has really done me proud :-)

I was really worried about him being on his own but he has settled really well into his new routine and has not put a foot wrong. He just potters about in the day eating grass and has a little chat over the fence. his massive handsome head greats me over the stable door in the morning ready for his feed and then when I get there at night to swap them back again he mouches up to the gate as soon as he sees me coming up the track. He doesn't really do anything at speed full stop and seems to take everything in his stride I really hope that he grows up into one of those horses that is not phased by things ..... but we will let you know tomorrow when we try loading and travelling him lol


Vibes for the op on Thursday would be great, he has to stay in tomorrow and Thursday night.
 
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