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Two young boys have been left in shock after witnessing their family pet being ripped apart by hunt hounds in Northern Ireland.

The incident happened on Saturday morning when the boys were out walking their dog, Pip, near Newry. The out of control hounds, believed to be from the Newry Harriers, ripped their dog apart right in front of their eyes. A member of the hunt then threw the remaining parts of the dog into a hedge.

The incident has led to calls from the USPCA calling for the new Animal Welfare Bill to introduce changes to make hunts more liable for the action of their hounds.

The League Against Cruel Sports’ Northern Ireland Campaigner Mary Friel said: “This is absolutely appalling and it’s hard to imagine how distressing this must have been for the two boys involved. We wholeheartedly support the USPCA’s calls for hunts to take more responsibility for their actions”.
 
As a dedicated hunting person ,you wont find me disagreeing with you IF its true.However no new bill is needed as the law applys equaly to everyone.
 
Mike007 said:
As a dedicated hunting person ,you wont find me disagreeing with you IF its true.However no new bill is needed as the law applys equaly to everyone.
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WTF is wrong with you people 'IF', it is true?!!!!!!!!! YES it is true! As the law stands the hunt are not responsible for the actions of the hounds which is simply shocking in such situations. To make matters far worse when the huntsman got off his horse and threw the poor dog in the hedge he was asked by the boys 'is our dog dead'. He replied 'yes', got back on his horse and rode away leaving the poor children stood there traumatised.
 
Scratchline said:
WTF is wrong with you people 'IF', it is true?!!!!!!!!! YES it is true! As the law stands the hunt are not responsible for the actions of the hounds which is simply shocking in such situations. To make matters far worse when the huntsman got off his horse and threw the poor dog in the hedge he was asked by the boys 'is our dog dead'. He replied 'yes', got back on his horse and rode away leaving the poor children stood there traumatised.
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How do you know this is true? How do you know what the huntsman allegedly did? Were you there?

I very much doubt that hounds would attack a dog in this way; they know the difference between a fox and a dog, they're not stupid. Even if they did, I do not believe that a huntsman would act in such a way, especially towards children. Has anybody got a statement from the hunt itself? I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue against this obvious bit of LACS propoganda nonsense, but someone has to point out the obvious, I suppose. The fact that you've resorted to personal insults against posters who have doubted the authenticity of the report says it all to me.
 
LACS are a bunch of idiots as far as I'm concerned and I would believe very little of what is put on their website. They obviously realised they had gone one step too far when they had the picture of the calf that had supposedly been savaged, killed and half eaten by hounds on the website. When challenged, that picture suddenly disappeared and hasn't been seen since. If the hounds really had done it surely the picture would have stayed.

Another issue that proves what idiots LACS are are the two badger cases to do with the South Dorset terrierman which they were sure they were going to win. The charges were to do with interference of a badger sett and video evidence shown in court showed quite clearly a LACS member interfering with said badger setts trying to make it look as though it was the terrierman who had interfered with them and said LACS member also was shown spreading peanuts around the holes in an effort to lure back the badgers to unoccupied setts so they could get a conviction. I know this is true because I have seen the video evidence.

Needless to say after this video had been shown in court both cases were dropped but at a cost of £250,000 to the taxpayer because the prosecution had to pay costs for both sides.

What a waste of time and money for absolutely no result. Funnily enough - there is nothing on the LACS website about these 2 cases. I wonder why!! They are normally so vocal about the injustice's of the hunting world!!
 
with (a bit!) of respect ... why on earth wouldn't someone question the autheticity of a paragraph on an internet forum without even a sniff of a clue where it came from!

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muffinino said:
How do you know this is true? How do you know what the huntsman allegedly did? Were you there?

I very much doubt that hounds would attack a dog in this way; they know the difference between a fox and a dog, they're not stupid. Even if they did, I do not believe that a huntsman would act in such a way, especially towards children. Has anybody got a statement from the hunt itself? I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue against this obvious bit of LACS propoganda nonsense, but someone has to point out the obvious, I suppose. The fact that you've resorted to personal insults against posters who have doubted the authenticity of the report says it all to me.
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Are you accusing the poor children of making this up because I have listened to what they said and have no reason to doubt them?! The attack has been reported by the BBC and not LACS. As for a statement from the hunt sadly following the recent gyrocopter case it would appear hunt members tend to lie in large numbers.
 
MrsO said:
with (a bit!) of respect ... why on earth wouldn't someone question the autheticity of a paragraph on an internet forum without even a sniff of a clue where it came from!

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With full respect it is not difficult to check the story out for oneself before posting a biased negative comment on an opening post x x
 
Scratchline said:
Are you accusing the poor children of making this up because I have listened to what they said and have no reason to doubt them?! The attack has been reported by the BBC and not LACS. As for a statement from the hunt sadly following the recent gyrocopter case it would appear hunt members tend to lie in large numbers.
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No ...It is not the 'poor children' making it up it is the anti's, they are always making up stories about the hunts around here ... nobody takes any notice of them anymore, they talk rubbish:mad:
 
Scratchline said:
Are you accusing the poor children of making this up because I have listened to what they said and have no reason to doubt them?! The attack has been reported by the BBC and not LACS. As for a statement from the hunt sadly following the recent gyrocopter case it would appear hunt members tend to lie in large numbers.
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Link to the original story please.

How have the hunt followers lied? There was video evidence for all to see, no need to fake a gyrocopter being driven towards a defensless man and his head being opened up, it was recorded on film.

I'm not accusing the children of anything, you're putting words into my mouth to be inflammatory, please don't. I am perfectly capable of inflaming myself, thank you.

Besides, I have no qualms 'accusing the poor children' (won't somebody think of the children?!) if I think that what has been written is a lie. For a start, children are very adept at lying and/or imagining things and can be quite devious if they need to be (so no different to adults, really), so I would question them if I thought they were lying. Secondly, I will not accept a random story that's written on an internet forum with no evidence as the truth, so I don't know that these poor angels even exist. If you can bring some evidence into play, and not just an anecdote with no link to a story, then people will be more inclined to believe you.
 
Sorry dont know how to do links but you can google the story or get it from the BBC.
200 huntspeople complained about low flying which was proven to not be the case. Hunt Master Charmian Green lied and was caught out doing so in court. The film didnt show what you have described. That came from the red tops hence the verdict.



Secondly, I will not accept a random story that's written on an internet forum with no evidence as the truth, so I don't know that these poor angels even exist. If you can bring some evidence into play, and not just an anecdote with no link to a story, then people will be more inclined to believe you.
I wouldnt post without checking it out first as anybody could do.
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Scratchline said:
Sorry dont know how to do links but you can google the story or get it from the BBC.
200 huntspeople complained about low flying which was proven to not be the case. Hunt Master Charmian Green lied and was caught out doing so in court. The film didnt show what you have described. That came from the red tops hence the verdict.



Secondly, I will not accept a random story that's written on an internet forum with no evidence as the truth, so I don't know that these poor angels even exist. If you can bring some evidence into play, and not just an anecdote with no link to a story, then people will be more inclined to believe you.
I wouldnt post without checking it out first as anybody could do.
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Not low flying? How on Earth did his head get split open, then? Did he jump? I think not.

Really? You can post on a forum but can't figure out how to put a link to a story? That's unusual. Go to the page with the story, right click on the address at the top, create a post, right click again and paste.

Come on, now, that's not how forums work. People react to what's posted, especially the first few posts, that's the nature of them.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8575497.stm

Got it.

OK, apparently it is true, according to the that link. However, considering the biased reporting, the last two sentences are appallingly bad considering the BBC are supposed to be impartial, and the fact it says 'brought' a new puppy, I have serious doubts about the truth of this story and the credentials of the journalist who wrote it.
 
I doubt this is true - hounds are the most obedient and socially secure dogs I know, they never start on other dogs and they would not just jump out of a hedge and attack another canine. More likely the hounds jumped out and the dog started on them, ended up in a fight and lost and the story has been turned around.
 
This is a load of rubbish, hounds would not attack another dog like that, I wanted to email the BBC to ask where they heard about this story, all I get is this: 'The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites.'
 
Not low flying? How on Earth did his head get split open, then? Did he jump? I think not.

Really? You can post on a forum but can't figure out how to put a link to a story? That's unusual. Go to the page with the story, right click on the address at the top, create a post, right click again and paste.

Come on, now, that's not how forums work. People react to what's posted, especially the first few posts, that's the nature of them.
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I will put my link in ( thanks for telling me how), and see if it works.

No need for the comment about the low flying but each to their own.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8575497.stm
 
Actually, they were 'brought' a new puppy, Stephen Philpott from the USPCA delivered them a new puppy to their home, as captured by the TV cameras in a later bulletin.

Tis a pity the alleged five pieces which remained of the dog have not been recovered, that could make it a pretty cut and dried case. Maybe they have and the USPCA is preparing a case, who knows.

I am a hunt supporter, I have ridden to hounds and I car follow, but if this is true then I am most disappointed, I cannot see how the incident or the hunt's reaction can be justified and it is not the first case of hounds here killing a family pet, like it or not.
I am also disappointed no members of the hunt have been prepared to speak out on this.

Muffinino I can ask the journalist if you want? PM me. I personally do not doubt his credentials.
 
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Actually you can see Philpott delivering the pup on the VT if you watch it, that was the bulletin I was talking about.
And the reporter gives his name at the end, so you shouldn't have a problem contacting him via the BBC.
It should have been the hunt delivering a new puppy really, if the story is true.
 
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