A lovely family day out!

I'm sorry but those boys don't look traumatised to me. How could they talk on camera just a few days after the insedent and not be in bits. Oh and they seem to be over there loss when the new puppy arrived. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Storys like this have been made up about hunts all over and proven to be faulse. This one seems just like the others to me i'm afraid.
 
OK as much as this may well be a load of b*** I personally see no reasons that hunts shouldn't be responsible for their hounds. I am pro hunts, but with that comes a responsibility to the wider community, one part of which is being responsible for the hounds, no?
 
LauraWheeler said:
I'm sorry but those boys don't look traumatised to me. How could they talk on camera just a few days after the insedent and not be in bits. Oh and they seem to be over there loss when the new puppy arrived. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Storys like this have been made up about hunts all over and proven to be faulse. This one seems just like the others to me i'm afraid.
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Kate and Gerry McCann were seen to be laughing, smiling and jogging a few days after they lost their daughter, not in bits.
 
Scratchline said:
Kate and Gerry McCann were seen to be laughing, smiling and jogging a few days after they lost their daughter, not in bits.
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I thought that was worse than this. I have my suspitions over what happened there aswell but thats a different matter.
I have been distressed over my pony being very very ill, when the vets gave her a less than 50% chance my whole world fell apart. I dread to think what it will be like when she actualy goes. and if it was my daughter who was kidnapped and poss murdered i would not be laughing and joking a few days later but as i said that was is a diffrent matter.
I have my suspitions over this story and i was just stating why. I do think hunts should be responsable for what the hounds do and all the hunts i know would be but i also know this would never happen, as has been stated already hounds arn't stupid they would not kill another dog.
 
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If the family didnt pay for it wasnt it donated to them then?
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Yes. I think the poster thought that the person who wrote the web piece wrote 'brought' as a mispelling of 'bought' - common enough, my OH makes the error in speech all the time.
What I mean is that 'brought' was correct - the puppy was no doubt 'brought' to the family from one of the USPCA's rescue centres in Benvarden or Carryduff, not 'bought' for the family by the charity.
 
CaveCanem said:
Yes. I think the poster thought that the person who wrote the web piece wrote 'brought' as a mispelling of 'bought' - common enough, my OH makes the error in speech all the time.
What I mean is that 'brought' was correct - the puppy was no doubt 'brought' to the family from one of the USPCA's rescue centres in Benvarden or Carryduff, not 'bought' for the family by the charity.
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I can see that's correct now, I couldn't watch the video and thought that the puppy had been bought for them. People frequently use 'brought' instead of 'bought' on here and it seems to be a common mistake, lol.

However, I stand by what I said about the final couple of lines being far too emotional and inappropriate for a BBC report. When I looked at the page there was no reporter's name on there which I thought was very odd, I'm not sure if one has been added now?

I agree that hunts should be in control of hounds however, there are often posts on here claiming that hunts have acted badly - such as the one about the Gelligaer leaving a hound impaled on a fence, which I know for fact to be untrue - so I am inclined to disbelieve such posts until there is proof to the contrary. What I don't like is posters getting personally insulting towards members questioning the validity of posts such as the OP, which have no supporting evidence or reference to where the story comes from.
 
He says his name at the end of the video report, his name is Gordon Adair and I am sure you could be put in touch with him if you write or email Broadcasting House in Belfast.
There will rarely be a television reporter's name/byline on a 'written' web news piece unless it is a feature written for the BBC's website by a dedicated web reporter. He will not have written the text that appeared on the website, it will have been summarised from his report by someone else.

I agree with you with the hound on the fence, the blood pattern was all wrong and my own dog, who is and was at the time a lot heavier than a hound, was thrown over a pike fence like that by a very wiry friend of mine (Don't. Ask)
 
I have read many stories of hounds attacking and killing family pets from various sources! How you can say that a hound knows the difference between a fox and a domestic dog is pretty lame really! It makes me laugh how when something like this happens you blame everyone else but yourselves!

Hunts should controll their hounds the same as any other dog owner. At the end of the day the dogs are your responsibilty.

Finally, I find it disappointing that the master of the hunt showed nothing but arrogance towards the poor lads whos dog had just been ripped apart, too busy racing for his next kill no doubt!
 
Fantastic_Mr_Fox said:
I have read many stories of hounds attacking and killing family pets from various sources! How you can say that a hound knows the difference between a fox and a domestic dog is pretty lame really! It makes me laugh how when something like this happens you blame everyone else but yourselves!

Hunts should controll their hounds the same as any other dog owner. At the end of the day the dogs are your responsibilty.
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I agree that there have been incidents of hounds killing domestic pets in the past, it is regrettable. However your argument rather falls down because the percentage of incidents related to actual days hunting.

Figures from the RealCA website indicate that between 1977 and 2007 there were 20 incidents in UK excluding Ireland. Given that there are around 300 hunts, going out on average twice a week between September and March. This makes 504,000 hunting days over that 30 year period. 20 incidents equates to 0.6 incidents a year or 0.00004% of hunting days ending in such an incident. Your inference that this happens on a regular basis is completely spurious.

I would also like to take issue with your paragraph relating to hounds being under control. From April until September I act as second whipper-in to a pack of mink hounds. We regularly attend shows bringing around 6 and a half couple (13 hounds) with us. Invariably our hounds with no couples or leads are better behaved and under total control as we cross the show ground than the domestic pets dragging their owners about and needing 'halties' to gain some semblance of control.
 
If the story is true, which unfortunately it seems to be, it is terribly sad for the family. However, I don't really see the point in posting it on a pro-hunt forum?? Perhaps you would be better writing to an MP etc with your concerns or doing something pro-active.

All this winding up of pro-hunt people does nothing for your cause, it just annoys people (and I have no opinion either way on the whole hunting debate!).

FWIW - I live in London and have personally seen 2 cats and 1 small dog killed by a pet dog so I doubt that the incidence is higher with hounds.....in fact I would think it would be considerably lower.

If your main issue is with the fact that the hunt is not liable for the actions of the hounds, this is not the place to try and get something done about it. You can also not really blame people for being suspicious of your posts - again, you cannot constantly make an effort to get people's backs up and then expect them to believe a story you post.
 
Fantastic_Mr_Fox said:
RealCA, as in Real Countryside Alliance?
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What sort of self-respecting anti hasn't heard of that website...since the figures were taken from such a prominent anti-hunting campaign site then you have to admit that my basis was true and that therefore the rest of my maths was correct as well.

I await your comment with interest.
 
Am I the only one here astounded at the stupidity of claiming a pack of dogs, kept as a pack, who regularly meet other dogs from other packs, or terriers, or pet dogs, or sheep dogs (or in our case, a gun dog), would kill and eat a dog?

Also, why were two young boys left alone and in charge of a dog? If anyone needs charging for anything, its their irresponsible parents - what if the dog had got away and been run over, they'd not have the hunt to blame then.

Seriously. It doesn't add up. And the only person I can see believing it is my gundog, who squared up to fight a hound not realising it had friends. When he spotted the other 29 hounds, he crapped himself, convinced his end was up, and hid until they'd gone...
 
"Am I the only one here astounded at the stupidity of claiming a pack of dogs, kept as a pack, who regularly meet other dogs from other packs, or terriers, or pet dogs, or sheep dogs (or in our case, a gun dog), would kill and eat a dog?"

Yes I think you are. Hunting hounds are trained to kill foxes! Evidently they also kill peoples pets. As I have said before this is well documented! Are you honestly trying to tell me that a hound can distinguish between a fox, domestic dog and cat?


"Also, why were two young boys left alone and in charge of a dog? If anyone needs charging for anything, its their irresponsible parents - what if the dog had got away and been run over, they'd not have the hunt to blame then."

LOL!! There is nothing wrong allowing two young boys taking their dogs for a walk! Did your parents not let you take your dogs for a walk when you were young? Maybe if the boys parents knew that the poor pet was going to be savaged and ripped to bits by out of control hounds owned by arrogant, selfish idiots and the remains chucked in a bush then they may have thought twice!! IF the dog had got away and got killed by a car, then thats just terrible bad luck! It amazes me at that you have the cheek to blame the parents here!!!!!
 
combat_claire said:
What sort of self-respecting anti hasn't heard of that website...since the figures were taken from such a prominent anti-hunting campaign site then you have to admit that my basis was true and that therefore the rest of my maths was correct as well.

I await your comment with interest.
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I do apologise Claire, got myself confused there. Its a good website though, dont you agree? A real eye opener!

For a moment there I thought you were talking about the RealCA themselves! You know, the ones who went round the Country sticking those silly green union flags on traffic signs and setting fire to NAAONB's.
 
Fantastic_Mr_Fox said:
I do apologise Claire, got myself confused there. Its a good website though, dont you agree? A real eye opener!

For a moment there I thought you were talking about the RealCA themselves! You know, the ones who went round the Country sticking those silly green union flags on traffic signs and setting fire to NAAONB's.
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Hunting people tend to have better things to do with their time than set up websites chronicling the harassment they have put up with. It does happen though as you will see from the links I have left for you on the other thread.

I was actually waiting for your response to my maths calcs which show that an infinitesimal amount of hunting days end in disaster for a pet.
 
Hunting hounds kill very very few pets and if they do it will be by accident and not with the intention of the huntsmen.

Compare hunting with something most of us do - driving cars and I think you will find cars kill far far more pets and cause far more suffering to animals domestic and wild than hunting ever do.

According to the highways agency 74,000 deer were hit last year - that's one in 20.

I have no idea how many pet dogs are killed but it must be many thousands.

Why isn;t anybody making a fuss about that?
 
"Hunting people tend to have better things to do with their time than set up websites chronicling the harassment they have put up with."

Im really looking forward to viewing them Claire. I have asked numerous times for people to put up links to back up their claims of violence and not one has obliged until now! Oh, and out of interest what are you busier doing than setting up websites?
 
Xlthlx said:
Hunting hounds kill very very few pets and if they do it will be by accident and not with the intention of the huntsmen.

Compare hunting with something most of us do - driving cars and I think you will find cars kill far far more pets and cause far more suffering to animals domestic and wild than hunting ever do.

According to the highways agency 74,000 deer were hit last year - that's one in 20.

I have no idea how many pet dogs are killed but it must be many thousands.

Why isn;t anybody making a fuss about that?
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Because cars are a vital part of modern living and im sure 99% of deaths caused by cars are real unavoidable accidents!! Face it, your hounds are your responsibility! If you cant control them then you really shouldnt be letting them run loose around the Countryside! It was only a couple of weeks ago several hounds strayed onto a motorway and were run over! This could easily have been a lot lot worse and could have caused a pile up!
 
Fantastic_Mr_Fox said:
"Hunting people tend to have better things to do with their time than set up websites chronicling the harassment they have put up with."

Im really looking forward to viewing them Claire. I have asked numerous times for people to put up links to back up their claims of violence and not one has obliged until now! Oh, and out of interest what are you busier doing than setting up websites?
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Ooh lots of things! Tonight I have our end of season party, then this weekend I'm going to the Team Chase. I expect cricket training will be starting soon, then there are days of legal hunting with the minkhounds to look forward to, an election to campaign and of course watching Masterchef!!
 
Fantastic_Mr_Fox said:
Because cars are a vital part of modern living and im sure 99% of deaths caused by cars are real unavoidable accidents!! Face it, your hounds are your responsibility! If you cant control them then you really shouldnt be letting them run loose around the Countryside! It was only a couple of weeks ago several hounds strayed onto a motorway and were run over! This could easily have been a lot lot worse and could have caused a pile up!
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I can control my dogs but I choose not to because I like to see them having a good time. Also they help me manage the wildlife in my woodlands in a welfare friendly manner.


"im sure 99% of deaths caused by cars are real unavoidable accidents!!"

Most RTAs are avoidable even by the person who's fault they aren't.

Yes it could have caused a pile up as could 74,000 deer hit by cars every year as well as about a million other animals.
 
What I don't get is why when faced with hundreds of thousands of animals being killed on the roads coupled with thousands of people you choose to focus on this event.

If people reduced their speed and drove more carefully we could save countless lives and much suffering.

Some people drive on country roads without taking into account the fact their might be horses, riders cyclists etc round the next bend.
 
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