A very good anti-breeding poster, warning sad photo!!!

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Just saw this on facebook. Thought i'd share. Its very true. That mare is beautiful:(

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Sorry, I'm not understanding this. The poster is exhorting us to breed less. A mare who could have been used for breeding was removed from the breeding merry-go-round. That's one less foal next year and the year after and the year after that . . .

She'd obviously come from careless owners, at least she wasn't going to suffer going to another set of careless owners.
 
It's very sad, but I'm not sure what it has to do with breeding less. :confused: We have no idea of the circumstances which lead that beautiful mare to this sad end. :(
 
Not related to overbreeding, unless she had a foal at foot?

Awful and neglect, however yes. Can't think she'd have got much for meat though.
 
Was this not the mare from the well known welsh stud that was being talked about on fb a while ago? I'm sure she had a chestnut foal at foot :-/
 
Maybe it's saying that if you breed, and can't sell, your foals will grow up to this future, and the mare in question was suffering and by being shot was actually saved from further suffering, going through rings and sellers etc?
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.

Poor poor mare.

Stoopid question...... but where was the RSPCA when this mare was sent to market?? (OK, like, I know, a stupid question).
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Erm, maybe they weren't alerted to it?!

Many markets and sales don't - they just get their peeps and vet to dispose of them and then don't say a word. A few well known markets have issues like this.

Quite often Animal Health depts/trading standards attend markets, and it is seen as too oppressive for RSPCA, WHW and TS's to be present, so the others stay away.
 
JingleDab said:
What is there not to understand from this advert? It's saying breed less, just breed the best and then there won't be too many horses around and they will be better cared for and not end up in this god awful, excusless state :confused:
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Well I doubt anyone here would disagree with breeding less, of course. It's just that not knowing the circumstances of this photo, for me it doesn't necessarily follow that it's to do with overbreeding. Especially if it's true that it wasn't even in this country.

I don't think it's a matter of not understanding.
 
Overbreeding is a problem.

But believe me, it's certainly not 'the' reason why horses end up like this.

A lot of it is ignorance, laziness, financial problems, family difficulties, change in circumstances. There are a whole host of reasons why horses end up like this. Overbreeding just scratches the surface.:(
 
JingleDab said:
What is there not to understand from this advert? It's saying breed less, just breed the best and then there won't be too many horses around and they will be better cared for and not end up in this god awful, excusless state :confused:
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I think those asking are more logical thinkers than you're giving them credit for. None of those posters above are simpletons and as such as querying this poster as any sensible person would. Anyone can see there's a skinny horse in the poster for goodness sake :rolleyes:

I also wondered about this poster. It's sponsored by an Australian manufacturer who makes foaling products. What relevance to selling last years foals when it looks like this horse was born at least 20 years ago? Why would such a poster be sponsored by a company who makes its money from breeders? How do we know that this horse was pulled from the auction, shot and put on the meat truck? Why would the meat man even be interested in a grey horse with this little weight on it?
 
Spring Feather said:
I think those asking are more logical thinkers than you're giving them credit for. None of those posters above are simpletons and as such as querying this poster as any sensible person would. Anyone can see there's a skinny horse in the poster for goodness sake :rolleyes:

I also wondered about this poster. It's sponsored by an Australian manufacturer who makes foaling products. What relevance to selling last years foals when it looks like this horse was born at least 20 years ago? Why would such a poster be sponsored by a company who makes its money from breeders? How do we know that this horse was pulled from the auction, shot and put on the meat truck? Why would the meat man even be interested in a grey horse with this little weight on it?
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Exactly, plus the horse may have been under vet treatment for a condition, and sold as such. Not great, but not quite the picture painted.
 
Echo Bravo said:
All I see is a horse that has been straved and that is a cruelty case,not a breeding case.
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You 'think' you see a horse that has been starved. How do you know that it's been starved? Could well be grass sickness, or a whole host of other reasons.

Also, just because it is very thin, does not make it a cruelty case, may well be under vet treatment for above condition or such like. :);)

Sorry, just pointing out how it is very easy to jump to conclusions from one photo, with little or no fact to go with it.
 
Spring Feather said:
I think those asking are more logical thinkers than you're giving them credit for. None of those posters above are simpletons and as such as querying this poster as any sensible person would. Anyone can see there's a skinny horse in the poster for goodness sake :rolleyes:
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My logic must be very simple then:rolleyes: as its all about supply and demand! We all see a skinny welfare case, but the ignorance lays with the breeders due to the over supply of cheap poor quality animals, from TB's to cobs a like.
 
JingleDab said:
My logic must be very simple then:rolleyes: as its all about supply and demand! We all see a skinny welfare case, but the ignorance lays with the breeders due to the over supply of cheap poor quality animals, from TB's to cobs a like.
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But it doesn't necessarily! There are skinny 'welfare' cases in all walks of equine society, not just the 'cheap poor quality animals'.

As I said, over breeding is a problem, 'traditional cobs' being the main one IMO. But it really isn't a massive contributor in the grand scheme of things, it's a relatively considerable one.

And I repeat again, how do we 'know' that this horse is a 'welfare case'. Do not take one photo, with very little fact attached to it, as the gospel. That is a big problem with many allegations of welfare issues - people don't think outside of the box - they automatically assume it MUST be neglected.
 
JingleDab said:
My logic must be very simple then:rolleyes: as its all about supply and demand! We all see a skinny welfare case, but the ignorance lays with the breeders due to the over supply of cheap poor quality animals, from TB's to cobs a like.
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We have all followed sad threads on here where beloved horses have wasted away despite devoted care and attention. :( Not every skinny horse is a welfare case. The sad thing about that photo is the mare appears to be being sold in that state. But photos can be deceiving and we don't know if the text is true.

How do we know she wasn't bred 20 or 30 years ago, very carefully and selectively? She could have been a top mare in her day. The fact that photo exists tells us nothing about her story.

There are far more variables than just "supply and demand". Do you think that if overbreeding stopped, there'd be no more skinny horses? ;)
 
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JingleDab said:
My logic must be very simple then:rolleyes: as its all about supply and demand! We all see a skinny welfare case, but the ignorance lays with the breeders due to the over supply of cheap poor quality animals, from TB's to cobs a like.
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Okay just using logic here if we may. The horse in the poster does not look like it was a 'cheap poor quality animal' in its heyday. It's an aged grey arab who is at least 20 years old and who is very skinny for some reason. What relevance does this have to someone who bred a foal last year and didn't sell it? :confused:
 
The ad would have worked better for me if the photo had been of raggedy, skinny foals huddled together in the auction looking terrified. They would represent victims of over breeding better for me. :(

However, personally I don't need a picture in order to understand the ills of producing unwanted horses and ponies.
 
Echo Bravo said:
So the answer is??????
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The answer is whatever you want the answer to be :) The poster does not make any sense to me and that's coming from a breeders perspective. I have too many questions about the company sponsoring the supposed poster and grey horses over here do not go to the meatman. They're made into glue so no money to be made so why would he even bother to have it shot and put into the back of his truck.
 
Over breeding is a problem in this country, and campaigns to raise awareness of this issue and encourage responsible breeding can surely only be a good thing.

As for the many variables, you are right but it is not always possible to tackle them all at once and some are more easily addressed that others :rolleyes:
 
The answer is don't waste any time believing random posters with limited or no factual information.

With regard breeding, nobody is ever going to stop breeding under par horses, just like any other animal. You are always going to get unscrupulous breeders. You are always going to get people who neglect animals.:(
 
JingleDab said:
Over breeding is a problem in this country, and campaigns to raise awareness of this issue and encourage responsible breeding can surely only be a good thing.

As for the many variables, you are right but it is not always possible to tackle them all at once and some are more easily addressed that others :rolleyes:
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If you seriously think that tackling over breeding is easier than tackling neglect through ignorance or laziness etc, then you are sorely mistaken unfortunately.

Breeding animals is an income and a choice for people, which education is far more unlikely to make a significant dent in this day and age than that targetted at the above mentioned.
 
Basically, there's an agenda going on. This is not a good anti-breeding poster, in fact I'd go so far as to say it's a pretty dumb poster. Someone is making money from this poster but who and how I don't know. There's little point in using the analogy that it's to do with the breeder who breeds poorly bred horses because this horse doesn't appear to have been poorly bred. I reckon it's a gelding anyway! ;)
 
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