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Like "most" I am happy to share the dwindling outdoors with others, but why do these trial bikes have to be so damn noisy, a 4 litre BMW can pass me at 90mph and I can barely hear it, a poxy little 50cc trialbike/scooter/motorbike makes a noise you can hear for miles :mad:, maybe if they were quieter people/animals wouldn't hate the things so much, it's irrelevant to me whether I am riding my horse or walking my dog or sitting in my front room watching TV, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE ******G THING :mad:, is the noise a penis extension, got to be some reason for the "unnecessary" racket.

Actually this applies to CWG's as well, why when tiptoeing through the undergrowth being as quiet as possible so as not to frighten your adrenalin rush away, you then pull the trigger and BANG you frighten everything away for miles, what's with the noise, penis extension is it, put a silencer on it, then the rest of us don't have to hear it, plus you might still have something else to shoot at ;)
 
Not sure if it should have but that made me :)
Not sure you can put a silencer on a shot gun only rifles when shot they can travel miles so in balance I'd rather have the bang! But talking of bangs crow scarers are the pain round here!
Bikes who knows why they are soooo loud but on the other side those blinking hybrid cars are so dam quiet you cant hear them coming.....people could say i'm never satisfied!
 
Pedantic said:
Like "most" I am happy to share the dwindling outdoors with others, but why do these trial bikes have to be so damn noisy, a 4 litre BMW can pass me at 90mph and I can barely hear it, a poxy little 50cc trialbike/scooter/motorbike makes a noise you can hear for miles :mad:, maybe if they were quieter people/animals wouldn't hate the things so much, it's irrelevant to me whether I am riding my horse or walking my dog or sitting in my front room watching TV, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE ******G THING :mad:, is the noise a penis extension, got to be some reason for the "unnecessary" racket.

Actually this applies to CWG's as well, why when tiptoeing through the undergrowth being as quiet as possible so as not to frighten your adrenalin rush away, you then pull the trigger and BANG you frighten everything away for miles, what's with the noise, penis extension is it, put a silencer on it, then the rest of us don't have to hear it, plus you might still have something else to shoot at ;)
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Werent you a spotty youth once ???:D Dont know much about the gun lot my guess most are acountants and lawyers
pity we coudnt get them to shoot each other or perhaps the spotty teen bikers:D
 
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Pedantic, there is a group at the moment trying to curb the use of trail bikes in derbyshire, apparently it is a bigger problem round here due to the classification of many routes. If I can find the name or a link I'll let you know. I think the authorities are finally starting to do something about them being used illegally.
 
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Pedantic, there is a group at the moment trying to curb the use of trail bikes in derbyshire, apparently it is a bigger problem round here due to the classification of many routes. If I can find the name or a link I'll let you know. I think the authorities are finally starting to do something about them being used illegally.
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Sadly a lot of the routes (byways) have been lost to legal trail riders so the illegal ones are doing as they please and the few remaining ones are overused we need to be very carefull about supporting other users, as if the ramblers had there way all unsurfaced rights of way would be foot paths only, and they have a huge membership and lobbying power...
 
No they dont have to be so noisy, they just dont have silencers in their exhaust systems like road bikes. You can make anything sound like that with a hole in the exhaust, a few of my cars have over the years :D Dont know if there is actually a reason for this, I always thought less back pressure meant less performance but I'm no expert.

Trouble with off roaders is that they dont need to pass an MOT so you can ride them without much exhaust pipe at all if you want. Have actually seen it done, the idiot teen liked flames coming out of the pipe.

I would actually prefer guns to make a noise, wouldn't want to wander through the woods and get shot by trainee assassins :D
 
My boy is worried about trail bikes, and he is pretty immune to lorries and shotguns, but also hates chain saws, I don't think I can de-sensitise him, without major effort, like buying one myself, obviously trail bikes are mostly used by young men who give little thought to other countryside users.
 
I ride trail bike, a very quiet one, and I have ridden horses all my life to. The two camps are so diametrically opposed that it is unlikely they will ever meet, If you dont believe me go on a motocycle forum and try and defend horses :D I love both but am in the minority. The question about loud exhaust pipes is a combination of people confusing noise with power and having a small cock as the op observed. It isnt just bikes though, If I happened to share a cul de sac with a chav with a loud pipe on his or her car then after the first time it woke me up, it would mysteriously not start the next day.
Inflicting excessive noise on other people is anti social end of.
 
Perfect11 I found out about the campaign via a cyclists organisation, and all the literature so far has been supportive of non-motorised forms of transport. I know what you mean though, bridleways aren't that numerous in my area so byways are important to riders and cyclists. I'm a hiker as well as a rider, and I hike with people who are also cyclists so we're always happy to share trails if others are considerate. If trail bikers were more considerate I'd have less of a problem with them.
 
We get a lot of off roaders in wiltshire, and on the ranges we often see the police out curbing some of the illegal bikes. I'm fairly sure they should have insurance to be on a motorized vehicle, I seem to remember my friend who was heavily into off roading, saying she had greenlaning insurance.
Must admit most of the ones round me all slowed down for horses, just the odd one that didn't.
Mine don't like them if they come up behind us, or they can't see them, but they generally aren't too bothered
 
All bikes riding on the byways must be rode legal or they are riding illegally. As others have said the polite considerate riders will always be put in the same category as the illegal scum bags who rip up the countryside.
 
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Perfect11 I found out about the campaign via a cyclists organisation, and all the literature so far has been supportive of non-motorised forms of transport. I know what you mean though, bridleways aren't that numerous in my area so byways are important to riders and cyclists. I'm a hiker as well as a rider, and I hike with people who are also cyclists so we're always happy to share trails if others are considerate. If trail bikers were more considerate I'd have less of a problem with them.
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I think you will find 99% of legal trail riders very considerate most are members of the TRF who take being responsable seriously, sadly there is and always will be a selfish or ignorant group of people who buy a motocross bike and think its ok to ride illegaly on common land, woods or on foot paths etc these people are a problem however alot of the problems could be solved by having facilitys for of kids who want to ride but they never have and unlikely ever will so this will always be a problem...
 
Maybe they should have to have a licence to own one, same as a firearm or shotgun.

Unless it has changed, to get a shotgun licence you had to prove where you were going to shoot it, permission from a landowner or membership of a club etc.

Also make them use a numberplate of some sort so the illegal ones are easy to spot and trace. At the moment they can do what they like and then disappear at 50 miles an hour with no way of identifying them.
 
I ride horses and used to ride dirtbikes as a teenager im now 30 unfortunately even back then lots of the tracks in my area were closed down for one reason or another this had led to teenagers having no where to rude them so just blasting about where ever. If they had left the tracks alone the kids would have some where to ride them we all would no where they are and could keep away. Those bikes are great fun and it's not fair to say ban them how would you like it If people tried to ban you riding your horse in the woods, because it poops inthe tracks (and I know this upsets lots of non horsey people)

As for the noise that's older 2 strike engines and lots of those bikes still kicking about the newer 4 strokes are quieter but still pretty noisy , it's just the way the bikes are.

Instead of trying to stop people enjoying the sport they do best to try to find them somewhere to do it so they you just stay about.
 
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Instead of trying to stop people enjoying the sport they do best to try to find them somewhere to do it so they you just stay about.
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What they are doing is not a sport. I was involved in the actual off road bike sport when my ex OH used to compete. He had permission from certain landowners to ride in specific places to practice. We put the bikes on a trailer and complied with the rules.

Yes it is expensive to do it properly. I actually dont have a problem with the off road trail riders who use the legal lanes, they have a licence, insurance and can be identified if they cross the line.

However the idiot parents who buy a 12 year old an ancient, probably unsafe, off roader and turn a blind eye when they drive it half a mile up a public road to get to someone elses land annoy me.

This used to happen at my old place. These kids put themselves, other road users and anyone else on the bridleways. either on foot or on horses at risk. The police couldn't catch them often, but the parents should have ended up in court.
 
I think it just (as in so many things) boils down to ignorance and lack of consideration. I think a lot of youngsters would be surprised to hear that the noise of their bike upsets people and/or horses - they need educating as to what can happen when horses react badly (there was another post yesterday about a nasty accident).

I have no problem with 'other' users, as long as they are considerate, as am I. Usually, our main problem is the guns but the shoot let us know days and times so we can avoid them if we wish. Mind you, H did think a large group of (perfectly nice) walkers yesterday was a dragon! ;)

We had a case at the yard recently when some lads were hooning about on quad bikes in the field with the horses!! :eek: They were all terribly upset and one seriously hurt herself and has to undergo months of treatment/box rest/costs! Luckily, someone saw them and identified them so the police were called. These lads mum keeps horses!!
 
Rockysmum - if it's not a sport because they don't compete , does that make people who just hack there horses round woods etc and don't go to shows , not doing a sport so they should not be able to do it..?? Regardless how you categorise it ( sport/ hobbie ) etc these people should be able to do it as they enjoy it..!!! The issues lies with councils etc removing all the tracks that the kids used to be able to go on and enjoy themselves.
 
And I forgot the best bit, particularly considering what started these conversations.

I used to be expected to pick of the pieces when the idiot off roaders hit a tree or fell down the quarry. My small yard was nearest to where they rode, who do you think they came to for help. Call the ambulance, find their parents, help them pick the bikes up, I've done it all. I'm not the sort of person who could leave someone in trouble, whatever they had done, unlike those lovely bike riders yesterday.
 
Move to Scotland, I've never come across any off-road bikes (other than mountain bikes!) when I've been out. We are a motorbike family and my brother used to compete with dirt bikes, he simply went round ruining my horses fields!
 
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Ludoctro said:
Rockysmum - if it's not a sport because they don't compete , does that make people who just hack there horses round woods etc and don't go to shows , not doing a sport so they should not be able to do it..?? Regardless how you categorise it ( sport/ hobbie ) etc these people should be able to do it as they enjoy it..!!! The issues lies with councils etc removing all the tracks that the kids used to be able to go on and enjoy themselves.
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So those who TWOC are sportspeople, they just have to steal and race cars round the streets because they cant afford to do it properly.

People who hack are legal, or I hope so, many of these off roaders are breaking the law.

I'm sure the councils didn't remove tracks outside of the law, they probably removed them to stop the illegal use.
 
So dirt bike riders now steal and race cars too..??? Oh OK then..!!!

Getting a little carried away with oneself now I think.
 
I have only known one off road motor bike rider and once he realised that all he had to do to make the horse people happy was to turn off his motor bike and let us get far enough past him to be safe before he re-started his bike, he was all for it. That's because where he was riding didn't allow motor bikes but none of the horse riders cared as long as he respected our need to be safe. He was also nice enough to genuinely not want to put us in danger. (This was in Australia.)
 
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Sadly a lot of the routes (byways) have been lost to legal trail riders so the illegal ones are doing as they please and the few remaining ones are overused we need to be very carefull about supporting other users, as if the ramblers had there way all unsurfaced rights of way would be foot paths only, and they have a huge membership and lobbying power...
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Agree with this. My husband and a group of friends have been trail-riding for many years. In our area of Nottinghamshire a lot of their routes have been closed and they now regularly go to Derbyshire. They are all considerate around horses (I'd kill him otherwise) and turn off the engines when approaching horseriders. They say that generally horseriders are polite and acknowledge their consideration. Most of the snotty looks and comments come from "country" folk out walking in their immaculate Hunter wellies and designer clothes. So be careful what you wish for.
 
rockysmum said:
Trouble with off roaders is that they dont need to pass an MOT so you can ride them without much exhaust pipe at all if you want. Have actually seen it done, the idiot teen liked flames coming out of the pipe.
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My husband's and his mates trail bikes have an MOT and insurance as they have to use roads to get from A to B.
 
rockysmum said:
And I forgot the best bit, particularly considering what started these conversations.

I used to be expected to pick of the pieces when the idiot off roaders hit a tree or fell down the quarry. My small yard was nearest to where they rode, who do you think they came to for help. Call the ambulance, find their parents, help them pick the bikes up, I've done it all. I'm not the sort of person who could leave someone in trouble, whatever they had done, unlike those lovely bike riders yesterday.
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True and of course you never need to pick up and help anyone else ramblers, hackers, rock climbers, MTB riders etc they never have acidents with there hobby :D
 
My only experience of these bikes was hacking up a bridle way. Biker was coming in opposite direction saw me slowed temporarily, revved his engine and accelerated at me! So screw not knowing any better:mad: Poor pony had never seen anything like it before and bolted up the fell side, took me ages to coax her back down when she had slowed down as she could still hear him further down the valley. I was furious and it was lucky no one had got hurt. I was 15 on a 14hh pony (so still a child and as my bf likes to point out I look a lot younger in my hat) there was no excuse. Someone please give these people somewhere fun to ride far away from horses and bridleways and preferably me :rolleyes:
 
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