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I wonder if anyone could help with with a couple of ACP questions I have?

Firstly, how many would you give a 15hh 450kg mare on box rest to walk nicely in hand?

How long do you wait for it to work? I know to give them and leave her quietly.

Also is there any alternative? She'll be walking in out in hand twice a day for at least 2 more months. Is it ok to give ACP for this long? I cant see her not needing it any time soon, and if I risk it without, it could be curtains
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It all seems a bit hit and miss with us at the moment. One day she's great, the next hyper and it's like it's not touched her.

Any help would be appreciated x x
 
i recomend global herbs super kalm sachets that you pop in a feed. i have used acp without success but i think it depends on the horse. and it would probably work out cheaper.
 
The problem with ACP is that they can go over the top of it.

I would try super kalm sachets first, as I think for a horse that size you'd probably need about 20 ACP!!
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I would ask your vet - ACP is quite old fashioned now as a sedative/calmer - one of its potential problems is that if the horses adrenaline etc kicks in and over rides the ACP it exentuates the excitable behaviour. I think they favour sedaline now.

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We were using sedaline, it was wonderful. However at £20 a tube, and I was using 2 a week, it was working out stupidly expensive!

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My experience of ACP is that you need to shovel so many of the things in to get a dopey horse, especially if it's a bit psychotic to start with!!!
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My 13.2hh had to have 18 a day when she was on box rest, and it just calmed her down, nothing more!! I'm also a bit wary when you have to give so much of a drug to make it work!!
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I think there are some good alternatives out there, and I would try these first, before you head down the ACP route!!
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We were using sedaline, it was wonderful. However at £20 a tube, and I was using 2 a week, it was working out stupidly expensive!

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Blimey!!
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As you know that worked would it be worth seeing if your vets will give you a prescription so you can buy it on line (if you can get it cheaper) my vets charge £10 so you can have a prescription to buy off the internet if you like.
 
acp didn't touch my ex mare. if they are stressed/completely over excited, acp can literally have no effect.

to get the farrier near her we'd give her dangerously huge amounts of acp but it made no difference. she'd still be in the air, kicking. just with sleepy looking eyes!

don't set your heart on it. ask your vet and try a few different ones to see what works for your horsey. good luck! x
 
She is absolutely fine on box rest, I mean to the point of being perfect, so she is chilled in general (with the help of topspec calmer which I swear by).

It's just these invisible monsters we keep meeting, it wasn't happening with the sedalin, which were the first few walks, so thats where you'd expect the stupidness.

I'm hoping once we're up to 2 lots of half hour she'll be bored/tired enough to not need them???
 
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We were using sedaline, it was wonderful. However at £20 a tube, and I was using 2 a week, it was working out stupidly expensive!

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Blimey!!
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As you know that worked would it be worth seeing if your vets will give you a prescription so you can buy it on line (if you can get it cheaper) my vets charge £10 so you can have a prescription to buy off the internet if you like.

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Oh really? Thankyou. I'm still just under my limit on the insurance, but dont want to eat into it with sedalin and the like. I'll go hunting
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Info on ACP

ACP is an unreliable calmer, as horses can comeout of the effects suddenly as others have said.

Also ACP should never be given without the vet checking the horses heart, has if the horse has an undiagnosed heart problem (permanent or temporary) ACP/ACP based products can be lethal as it drops the blood pressure.

ACP should never be given to colts/stallions (not a problem in this case) because it can cause a prolapsed penis.
 
I was under the impression you can't get ACP in tablet form as it's only licensed for use with dogs
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Sedalin gel is ACP in syringable form, which is the version licensed for horses.

Since both are only available on prescription, any vets dishing out tablets for horses are, er, being a bit naughty!
 
Sedalin doens't touch Ronnie but ACP does. He's a 470kg 16hh gelding, and he gets 10 tablets twice a day. He could switch out of the sedalin very rapidly (and then have a bucking fit, generally). I find it works within about half an hour - some people find it takes longer. Make sure they're quiet whilst it's working its magic.

Oh, and Ronnie's been on and off ACP for a very long time (6 months). There is a thing called Zylkene which reduces stress levels - did chill Ronnie out and take the edge off his high jinks, but didn't stop them entirely. I gave him 3x450mg tablets a day, bought them from Petmeds. No prescription needed. Also, if you're going to be using large amounts of ACP/sedlain, ask your vet to write a prescription and get it off the net. My vet charges 50p per 25mg tablet, but I can get them off petmeds for 17p per tablet. Much cheaper
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Just got off phone to vet. He's left the left leg unbandaged now to let that get some air to it, it's looking good now. Staples still in but wil come out very soon, they're not causing any problems.

Right leg is starting to show the very beginnings of healing, not yet anything to get excited about apparently. He said that it's looking about the best it has done since it broke down. It was redressed and it's being done again on Friday, if the bandages will last that long.

Just off to pick up his ACP and bute prescription
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