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If an advert says something quantifiable, such as 'good to shoe' or 'good to load', and the horse proves not to be, legally is there still no case?

Just curious....
 
Personally, if I was buying a horse I would want to see/try loading etc. for myself just to be 100% sure. If the horse is 'good' to load as the seller describes then they should have no problem illustrating it ;)
 
If an advert says something quantifiable, such as 'good to shoe' or 'good to load', and the horse proves not to be, legally is there still no case?

Just curious....

You make a good point, "buyer beware" is true in private sales unless a statement made in the advert or at the point of sale is proven false (easier to prove in the advert). If the statement is false and the buyer is shown to have relied upon that statement then there may be a case against the seller.

It would involve the courts though, unless the seller is happy to take it back.

It is always difficult in cases of live animals in court as the judge may know nothing about horses and may treat it as one would a bike, as in if it goes ok for one person then it should go ok for another. Or they may be more knowledgable and make a decision based on what is reasonable.

The best thing to do when selling is to say that it is generally good to ...., or not known to ....., as a seller it is also best to put this on the receipt, so that if a vice does come up at a later date you haven't categorically stated that the horse is vice free.

As a buyer write down the things that are important to you and ask the seller to sign to say that the horse is suitable for the purposes that you have listed.

None of this would stop disputes but if a dispute does arise then there is some level of written evidence to show what both parties were entering into.
 
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If I get a dog from a resuce and it says "housetrained" but yet it poos in my house within the first few days, can I then take it back??? :D
 
Hmm well actually I think an advert stating good to shoe and good to load should mean just that. How bad is the horse?
 
Ladyt25, yes you do, we 'rescued' a dog from council kennels, it was supposed to be good with cats, on entering the house it attacked the cat,
it was back in kennels by t time.
Not a lover of council kennels

Hmm, well I wouldn't, I would do the thing called 'giving it time' and would add TRAINING to the equation. same as I would with a horse. I guess the same would go with adopting a child - if it misbehaves in the first few weeks or screams all night long - would youthen return it and say not "sold as seen"? Do people have no patience these days or what??!
 
I think sometimes people forget that horses are living breathing animals, and that they can react differently to different people and different situations, especially when they have their whole world turned upside down by being moved to a new place and a new owner. Horses and creatures of habit and get used to the same surroundings, same handling, same rider, day after day. I received a phone call after I sold my first horse to an expereinced rider telling me he wouldnt walk past parked cars???? The young girl on my yard tried to load her new pony last weekend to go to a schooling day to be confronted by flat refusal, I got the same and also the yard owner, even though she had watched the pony load perfectly before it arrived. My own horse took a month before I could pick it's back feet up without fear of loosing a knee, even though I'd seen the previous owner pick up both back feet without a problem. I'm now on a waiting list for one of those full size mechanical horses with a digital chip that you just program to your requirements!
 
I'm with flirtygerty here - no way would I risk the safety of an existing pet to use it as part of a training exercise! The existing animal has a right to be safe in it's own home.

As far as kids are concerned I also know someone who fosters children and who took on a child who turned out to be very disturbed and actually attacked the fosterer's own children. They did their best for her for as long as they could but she actually had to go back into care as she was destroying the family trying to help her.
 
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Hmm, well I wouldn't, I would do the thing called 'giving it time' and would add TRAINING to the equation. same as I would with a horse. I guess the same would go with adopting a child - if it misbehaves in the first few weeks or screams all night long - would youthen return it and say not "sold as seen"? Do people have no patience these days or what??!

Hell no when you spend £XXXXs on the basis that something does X, Y and Z and then it doesn't! I suppose with horses then if its a freebie/cheap pet or project then yes you expect less but when you buy a horse for a job then it should do what it says on the tin, at least to a reasonable extent, for a non-numpty from day number one IMO.
 
Depends on how bad the behaviour is...if it's a rescue dog that chases/mouths cats, then I'd be willing to work with it. If it actually bites them, I'd just have it destroyed tbh, as I won't keep a dog that bites - as in a proper, dangerous, visit to vet/doctor type bite. Not a nip, etc.

Horse wise...give it time unless it's actually trying to kill you or a person or animal in your care. Difficult to load doesn't bother me, tbh. I knew Hippo was bad that way and still bought her!

I don't know what I'd do in the child situation. Unless it hurt one of our animals on purpose, that would make me think potential sociopath! Don't have kids of our own to consider so wouldn't worry that way. I'd probably be a terrible parent anyway...I'd forever be taking them out hiking with the dogs and a picnic, or making them muck out and cut the lawn for pocket money...
 
I wouldn't consider that a rescue dog that chased or mouthed my cat would be acceptable for a single minute. How do you explain to a terrified cat that the dog isn't actually going to bite it? And sorry when it's the cat's home and you're bringing a strange animal in that behaved in such a way it would totally destroy the cat's feeling of security in it's own territory. I would consider it extremely cruel to expect a cat to work with a dog whilst it was re trained, it's a creature in it's own right and not of a lesser value than another animal.
 
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