Admin - Don't ban Everard Busby

[jessop]

Admin. Please please don't ban 'Everard Busby'. I've always been anti hunting but it's only since I came on here that I've realised what a mess the Government have made of the law.

I am quite soon that only a very few extremists like Bunce really believe that the Government should have the right to make people shoot animals.

Everard is funny and he is right to take the micky out of an incompetant Government.

 

[Darkly_Dreaming_Dex]

I agree- he is not libellous or being personal about anyone and i for one am enjoying his posts-
if anyone is banned it should be Bunce for being offensive to legal hunting activity followers- Anyone remember the post where he was pleased a child had been seriously hurt in a draghunting accident?

 

[Stoxx]

I don't regularly come into the Hunting part of this forum, even though I have supported hunts, I don't actually take part.
But the thread in 'suggestions and feedback' made me wonder what all this is about.
Bunce, this forum is here in order for people to express their views and opinions on things, not everyone agrees with others views but that doesn't make them wrong!
And as for you demanding another member is banned, I'm afraid that is Admin's job, not yours!

 

[wrighty]

I agree that Bunce flaps his gums a bit too much and should not have made the comment on the thread about someone getting hurt BUT "Mr Busby" is also known as Giles Bradshaw who has been banned from this forum on several occassions (Or so I have been informed by Pro and Anti), so should be banned for this.

 

[antiantianti]

Why do you think Everard is Giles?

Or do you think people should be guilty until proved innocent?

Oh yes of course you are an anti and therefore a nat's tadger from a fascist.

Breaking the laws you idiots have passed is an honour and a priviledge endowed apon me by your utter stupidity.

In my opinion anyone who supports a law that requires flushed out animals to be shot in the name of animal welfare should be strung up by their genitals.

 

[wrighty]

I think Everard is Giles because he harps on about just one issue, oh, just like you do.
You AND Everard brag about flushing out mammals which is against the law therefore guilty as you admit it. Understand that bit?

"Oh yes of course you are an anti and therefore a nat's tadger from a fascist."
Great logic, please explain a bit more.

"Breaking the laws you idiots have passed"
I don't think I passed the law, I am not a MP.

Like I have said in other forums and threads I think Giles/Antix3/Everard have a point in SOME of thier arguments BUT they are going about it in the wrong way.
Admitting you take 4 dogs out to flush/shoo deer is breaking tha law.
If you were just walking your dogs and the deer ran off I don't think that should be classed as hunting BUT if you do not control your dogs and they continue to chase then that is hunting.
Giles and or whoever he is don't just scare deer from his land, he has gone to other places to prove his point, this is hunting and therefore should be arrested for it.

As for shooting the deer I believe this is wrong no matter what the law says about 2 or more dogs, it shouldn't happen.

 

[antiantianti]

Flushing out deer is illegal as we agree.

How can I be expected to take my dogs around my property without flushing out deer?

Do you think flushing out deer is cruel?

Do you think any suffering cause to these deer by flushing them out is remediated by shooting them?

Why do you suppose that the welfare of my deer is better placed in the hands of a legislative authority that requires them to be shot rather than someone who has a perfectly happy healthy herd of deer which he has never hurt in any way whatsoever.

I will never obey the Hunting Act. It is invalid law passed by fools. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with breaking it.

No one would ever dare arrest me for breaking the Hunting Act. To do so would be an insane action to support an insane law.

 

[antiantianti]

"Oh yes of course you are an anti and therefore a nat's tadger from a fascist."
Great logic, please explain a bit more.

I am happy to explain a bit more. Fascism involves the use of state power to kill people unjustifiably. People who support the hunting act support the use of state power to make people kill animals unjustifiably.

There is NO justification for me having to shoot the deer I flush yet the law requires me to do so.

Fascist use the law to support murder.

The ONLY difference is that these are animals.

 

[wrighty]

Once agin you rant without reading what has been put. If "your herd" is being chased around by you dogs then that is IMO hunting, if you control your dogs so they don't chase them IMO is not hunting. See the difference yet or are you going to rant more?

If you are PLANNING to go out in the morning and CHASE DEER then you should be arrested, if you are going out to walk your dogs in a controlled manner and deer may run away from your CONTROLED dogs then IMO you are not hunting therefore no need to arrest.

I don't agree with shooting the deer for ANY reason so there's no point in flapping your gums about that to me.

As for being fascist, just because someone does not agree with hunting doesn't mean they agree with the hunting act, a lot of people I know think the act is good in places but not good enough in others.
I won't stop until ALL hunting of animals is banned and ALL cruelty to animals is stopped (Including farming)

 

[jessop]

What you don't seem to understand Wrighty is that the law doesn't just define CHASING as hunting it defines FLUSHING OUT as hunting. Flushing out doesn't have to involve chasing but it can.

Legally Giles can go out and chase the deer but he has to shoot them.

You are right though it isn't fascist to be anti hunting. However the Hunting Act gets pretty close to fascism in it's requirement for animals to be killed and people who say that it should be obeyed are pretty despicable characters IMO.

 

[jessop]

As for stopping farming that is just ridiculous!

 

[Aesop]

I don't think 'Everard' should be banned. I am sure everybody realised that these letters were a spoof aimed at pointing out how ridiculous the Hunting Act is.

Laughter is an important political tool and we should use every opportunity to point out how ridiculous the law is.

As for Bunce I have to say I have never come across anyone except Government lawyers who actually attempts to defend the Hunting Act to the fullest extent of its absurdity.

 

[antiantianti]

"I won't stop"

You won't stop what? Wittering on on HHO?

 

[wrighty]

""I won't stop"

You won't stop what? Wittering on on HHO?"

Oh, I see what you've done there, you've used part of a sentance to your own benefit, using thinly vailed humour as well. Well done.

 

[wrighty]

"As for stopping farming that is just ridiculous!"
I agree that stopping farming would be ridiculous but I don't think I said that, what I said was
"I won't stop until ALL hunting of animals is banned and ALL cruelty to animals is stopped (Including farming)" that is more directed at the cruelty to animals in some farming techniques and not at farming as a whole.

 

[peakpark]

Well I agree that cruel farming practices should be outlawed, and it has always struck me as strange that hunt saboteurs make a big deal out of protesting against hunting and make statements to the press etc., but I've never heard of them sabotaging shops which sell battery hens This is what makes me think that their opposition to hunting is class based.

As for the co-op, its hypocrisy leaves me speechless. They give money to the Labour party, take an anti hunting stand and talk sanctimoniously about cruelty to animals yet seem to have no qualms about selling factory farmed chicken and eggs.

 

[wrighty]

Peak, I agree with you, some people shout about some things but do nothing about others.
I do not buy anything from supermarkets because of their policies on animals and even their treatment of farmers/suppliers.
I only shop in local stores which IF they sell meat it only comes from local free range farms.

It works both ways though, I have talked to people who say they support CA because of their stand on hunting but do not care about the other issues in the countryside.

I have never met anyone who thinks that the hunting debate is a class issue, a lot of hunters may be from the upper classes but it is the cruelty of it that drives people to stop it.

 

[antiantianti]

"I only shop in local stores which IF they sell meat it only comes from local free range farms."

Really? You don't even pop down the local corner shop?

 

[wrighty]

"You don't even pop down the local corner shop?"
If they sell free range stuff I do, couldn't you understand it the last time I wrote it?

 

[jessop]

Well that's very noble of you wrighty. I must admit I would find it very hard to live like that.

Where do you get petrol from? Are there any garages that only sell meat from local free range farms?

Do you have any local corner shops near you that only sell meat from local free range farms? I must admit I didn't know there were any. All the corner shops I've ever been in sell pepperoni for example and corned beef and stuff like that.

What about the pet food that they sell? Does this all come from local free range farms?

It seems to me your life must be very hard. It must be almost impossible to find grocery shops that satisfy these requirements.

 

[antiantianti]

couldn't you understand it the last time I wrote it?

I could understand it Wrighty; I just don't believe it.

 

[wrighty]

"Are there any garages that only sell meat from local free range farms?"
No, the local garage doesn't sell anything but fuel, it's rare but it's there.

"I must admit I would find it very hard to live like that."
It isn't easy but it is possible, being vegan isn't easy either but possible. Anything is possible if you're willing to work at it.

 

[antiantianti]

So you really never shop in a newsagent or a shop that sells pet food?

What do you do if you drive to another part of the country? How do you find a garage that doesn't sell sandwhiches?

Do you drive around the place and then go in to the garage and check all the groceries before making a purchase?

 

[bounce_back]

Wrighty you have my full support in your decision to only use garages which either do not sell meat products or sell local free range products.

If everybody took a little time to consider the way that petrol stations sponsor animal abuse then I am sure more consumer pressure could be put on them to clean up their act.

It is only highly cynical people who would cast aspersions regarding where you buy your fuel from.

 

[antiantianti]

It's only highly stupid peoplewho would actually believe that Wrighty never fills up at a petrol station that doesn't do ham sandwhiches.