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Alec Swan

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Regarding Pannus.

We have a 2 yo lurcher bitch, mostly greyhound, who has had this complaint for the last 6 months, or so. She is highly regarded, by both my OH and by me too.

The bitch, May, has a history of serious accidents! She has no sense of self preservation, and the vets bills, to date, have exceeded all the bills which I've ever had, and for all the dogs which I've ever had, put together!

The vets offer continual hope, though as the complaint is progressive, the bills are getting out of hand. May has visited the AHT in Newmarket, to the specialist Opthalmic dept, twice, and as with our own local vets, the deterioration, seems to fly in the face of the advice which we've been given.

One eye has a nasty ulcer, and both are heavily masked with a blue film. She is effectively blind, though she can recognise movement. She's understandably becoming ever more fed up with being "pulled about". Poor girl.

I'm NOT complaining about the vets, or the treatment, or the cost, or the fact that we're being given hope. I would very much like to hear from others, who've had dogs with this complaint, as to whether they were glad that they continued with treatment, or wished that they'd saved money, and importantly, the dog from further suffering.

Genuinely, my primary concern is the well being of the dog, and though it's a personal decision for all of us, I would feel very selfish, were I too keep a blind, and highly active dog, alive.

I would particularly welcome your experiences. Many thanks.

Alec.
 
So what is the diagnosis?
While many dogs can cope with gradual sight deterioration IMO an active sighthound cross is least able to adjust.
 
The diagnosis is Pannus.

The prognosis, is that it can be "managed". Despite the high level of treatment, the situation seems to be worsening. The advice which we've received, from professionals, regarding the use of steroids has been entirely contradictory, though I accept that the disease itself, isn't really understood.

I'd never heard of Pannus, until 3 months ago, and I was just wondering if others on here, may have had dogs with the complaint, and could tell me of the outcome.

s4sugar, thanks for your reply.

Alec.
 
Never experienced this one before,so like the common herd just googled it.Not good,poor prognosis,it said the owner MUST expect the dog to go blind eventually.She is a dog bred to run ,so there does`nt seem to be a future for her to do that,being totally blunt (never!!!) I would not continue to fill the vet`s pocket anymore if she was mine.

I had a working lakeland ,Flea,who went blind young,it was so awful to see this little fast coiled spring of a dog degenerate into blindness.It hurt me a lot,but I let her go for her own benefit really .SO SORRY:(:(
 
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There's a few members on Greytalk forum that have greyhounds with Pannus so you could try a post on there Health section for advice or just do a search for similar threads.
 
So what is the diagnosis?
While many dogs can cope with gradual sight deterioration IMO an active sighthound cross is least able to adjust.


I've heard this, too. Since my dog lost an eye a couple of years ago, I've reached out to many owners with partially-sighted and blind dogs, quite a lot of which are active Jack Russells (PRA and lens luxation seem rife). The dogs seem to cope brilliantly, and I myself know a Jack X Chi that is a dynamo at the park. But I have yet to exchange words with an owner of a blind sighthound. No real advice to give, just lots of sympathy for you.
 
I don't know anything about pannus, but my dad had a golden retrever that went blind at a very early age. she lived to be 14 and really enjoyed her life. Couldn't take her for a walk, she would rather have her neck pulled out then be on a lead. Luckily he had a acre garden that she roamed around. She learnt where to go quite quickly and loved fetching stones - she always brought the right one back. however she wasn't a sght hound so i guess t may e dfferent for your dog.
 
I think this is another name for Chronic Specific Keratitis? My lurcher had this in one eye. She had Optimmune eye cream twice daily for 6 months and the lesion has disappeared completely. We were told initially we should continue with the cream for life, but after discussing with my vet we decided to stop the treatment and monitor the eye. That was 6 months ago and it (touches wood quickly!) is showing no signs of returning. I was referred to Ken Fraser who is an opthalmologist - he was excellent.
 
I've just noticed a thread about Pannus on the pedigree database forum. Suspect this may be the one CC has pm'd you about, if not let me know and I will give you a link.
 
Genuinely, my primary concern is the well being of the dog, and though it's a personal decision for all of us, I would feel very selfish, were I too keep a blind, and highly active dog, alive.

Checkout www.lurcherlink.org - I've had invaluable support and advice over the years. Please don't think a blind dog cannot be active. We go to fun races at the dog track and there is a dog there who is completely blind but manages to race and loves it!
 
This is just an update, for those who've been kind enough to offer help.

We took May back to the vet, yesterday, and actually saw the bloke who specialises in opthalmics. The eye with the nasty ulcer, which is a breakdown of the cornea, isn't mending itself. The regrowth is failing to attach itself. He put in a local anaesthetic and with a cotton bud he scraped away the surface. The other eye is also now starting a small ulcer. She's becoming ever more fed up with being pulled about, understandably.

Despite everyones best efforts, the situation is getting progressively worse, and now he says that we could try an operation to cut the cornea in fine lines to encourage fresh growth. Coursing dogs generally cope very badly with general anaesthetic, her last serious op took two full days before she'd recovered, and the sight of her was pitiful. There wont be an operation, because we think that it's going to be nothing more than inflicting further stress on a dog, who's suffered enough, and with very little chance of a successful outcome.

We have a further appointment with the vet on Monday, to see if there's any progress. If there isn't, then we will bring her home, and give her as long as we can. When the discomfort turns to actual suffering, then I'll put her down.

The vet agrees that the form of Pannus, which she has is particularly aggressive, and though irritatingly he hasn't said as much, there seems little chance of a successful outcome.

Fingers crossed, between now and Monday, for at least SOME improvement. Thank you, all for your efforts and thoughts. I'll let you know the results.

Alec.
 
Everything crossed for you here that she is showing some improvement by Monday. Sounds as if your decision not to have surgery is the right one, there comes a point when you have to say enough.:(
 
Today, there has been a very slight improvement.

A further update.

I had a 'phone call today from the vet. He'd spent hours, last night, and by email in contact with an ophthalmologist in The States.

We had a call, and would we take May into the surgery, so that they could take some blood. For £40 they took blood, spun it out, and separated the protein, I think. This was turned into a serum, for an hourly drop. They also changed the antibiotics to something more suitable, and stronger. Commitment on the part of our vet? Without question.

We have her booked in for Friday, to see if there's further improvement... but I'm not holding my breath!

I have to say that I'm more than impressed with the service which we've received. The good man, in his own time, has refused to give in. Whether we succeed, or we put her down, our vet has stepped up to the board. I'm staggered!! Top man.

Alec.
 
Today, there has been a very slight improvement.

A further update.

I had a 'phone call today from the vet. He'd spent hours, last night, and by email in contact with an ophthalmologist in The States.

We had a call, and would we take May into the surgery, so that they could take some blood. For £40 they took blood, spun it out, and separated the protein, I think. This was turned into a serum, for an hourly drop. They also changed the antibiotics to something more suitable, and stronger. Commitment on the part of our vet? Without question.

We have her booked in for Friday, to see if there's further improvement... but I'm not holding my breath!

I have to say that I'm more than impressed with the service which we've received. The good man, in his own time, has refused to give in. Whether we succeed, or we put her down, our vet has stepped up to the board. I'm staggered!! Top man.

Alec.


You have an exceptional vet there Alec :) Will keep my fingers tightly crossed for May... but at the same time, I would make the same decision as you in the same circumstances :( (((hugs)))
 
Today, there has been a very slight improvement.

A further update.

I had a 'phone call today from the vet. He'd spent hours, last night, and by email in contact with an ophthalmologist in The States.

We had a call, and would we take May into the surgery, so that they could take some blood. For £40 they took blood, spun it out, and separated the protein, I think. This was turned into a serum, for an hourly drop. They also changed the antibiotics to something more suitable, and stronger. Commitment on the part of our vet? Without question.

We have her booked in for Friday, to see if there's further improvement... but I'm not holding my breath!

I have to say that I'm more than impressed with the service which we've received. The good man, in his own time, has refused to give in. Whether we succeed, or we put her down, our vet has stepped up to the board. I'm staggered!! Top man.

Alec.

That's good news - my pointy nosed friends and I have everything crossed for you all.
 
This is just a small thank you to those who've taken the trouble to offer help, and their sympathies.

After the initial, and heartening improvement, on Friday morning, following our visit to the vet May's sight rapidly deteriorated. By Saturday lunchtime, she was obviously quite blind, and her behaviour was that of a very unhappy dog.

May is now buried in the orchard. I like to think that she's up amongst the clouds, coursing the odd hare or two, where there are no sharp flints for her to cut her pads on, no frosty ground for her to break her toes, and NO WIRE!!

I tend to be fairly pragmatic about such things, but poor Tracey is upset. Time heals, so they tell us. Again, my grateful thanks for your input.

Alec.
 
So sorry to read this, letting her go was the kindest if hardest thing to do.

Hugs to you and your OH and here's to hooning in the clouds.

JDx
 
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