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hi all, my friend has a quirky horse and she has spent a fortune trying to sort it and looks like it can't be fixed.
she is lovely in every way box/shoe/traffic and is a doll to handle.
but sometimes will bronk her off ,if your prepared to lunge every time you ride she is fine ,she is also fine when she is in hard regular work .
it is the day you think oh she ain't done it for ages(up to 8 month) ill just get on that she will explode .
she is a 16'3 coloured warmblood (orlando) x tb (regisered can't remember name) 6yr old & has good comf .
someone has offered her £2000 as a broodmare (she paid £3000 as a 3yr old))
she is thinking of putting her in foal herself but is worried about temprement being passed on to the foal and ending up in the same boat in 4yrs time.
what would you do ? sell as brood mare , sell as comp horse (she's been to a few shows etc but still green for a 6yr old) or keep and hope she grows out of it .
any one know if orlando(by oberon) youngsters are like this.
she was badly broken in and we think she learnt it then.
she has had all the usual checks and all is fine.
do you think 2000 is a good price?
any advise would be great i really feel sorry for her she has a young family and wants something she can just get on a couple of times a week without the worry thanks x
 
well to me £2000 seems good for a broodmare. My friend sold her NF mare with exceptional pedigree and had done everything before developing bone spavins for £500! She has just had the most super foal to Farriers Fingerprint! So nice to see her having a job!

Would your friend not consider turning her away for a while and then having her prof rebroken if you think the problems may all stem back to that?
 
I think if she's been offered £2k for this horse she should take it. My daughter's 6yo TB mare sounds very, very similar to your friend's but she rears rather than bolts, I really, really want my daughter to sell her and if someone offered me £2k she would be gone in half a heart beat.

In your friend's situation I absolutely wouldn't breed her or give her another year to maybe grow out of it, both of these options sound expensive and potentially full of hassle and heartbreak, and risk of injury to your friend. Seriously, advise her to take the offer and buy a horse that she may find more enjoyable.
 
thanks for reply
been there done that, the 1st place she sent her to back couldn't do it but still charged her full price for 3 weeks work !
than she was sent some were else who did manage to back her when she was 3 rising 4 .
she has then coped well with her for the past 2 years,only hitting the deck when she had a few days off .
she took her to a local HT last month and she bucked her off she got back on and did the course fine but she decided enoughs enough .
she then sent her to a semi pro who said she was being soft had her a week got bucked off sent her back and charged her for 2 weeks work !
she is now at another yard were they are doing a good job but he has been honest and said she is always going to do it .
so she is coming home on thursday.
she will ride her when she comes home but is now loosing her bottle x
 
Oh dear. Maybe best to take the money and put it down to experience...

I don't think if she's going to be honest about her issues she'll get more for her on the open market.
 
I am going to be harsh and say this - just because it has a uterus doesn't mean it should be breeding. This applies to all species (including human!!!!).

The question ALL mare owners considering breeding should ask themselves is "if this was a gelding, would I be disappointed that I couldn't breed from it?" If the answer is no, then you should not breed from the mare. Sometimes I wish that speying mares was as routine as castrating colts.

There are a lot of unwanted horses and ponies in this world, and a lot of them are due to ill thought out and unsuitable breeding. We should be breeding from the best mares, not from the ones we can't find a better job for.

Rant over, sorry!
 
sorry but if the mare has good breeding then why cant she be bred from, id snap whoever wants to buy her's hand off!! you cant risk injury to yourself with a horse that doesnt enjoy being ridden and is dangerous so the best job for her is to be a broodmare - perhaps she would be a lot happier!
 
no offence taken l&jack i agree with you.
i bought my horse from an idiot breeder it was a nightmare.
my friends horse is lovely in every other way and has very good conf ,we are trying to look into her breeding to see if it is something in the line but have come up with nothing.
the few foals we know from that line are lovely natured as she is, apart from this one prob she is a stunning horse and is popping over 4ft with nice passes.
we really think they made such a mess of backing her it is now a very bad habbit .
but she still wouldn't breed her without fully thinking it through x
 
might take you up on that jes if girl don't like her on thurs lol
its not that she doesn't enjoy being ridden she can be fine for ages and has been out to pleasure rides/shows/sj and ht and looked to enjoy herself .
she just sometimes finds it all to much and just starts to bronk .
i think she would make a nice brood mare for someone.
she has good breeding , she is a nice "person" to handle and deal with.
most importantly she is not lame due to bad comf so would not be breeding something that would pass this on and is still only 6 with the possibility she might come back after having a foal as a useful riding horse x
 
Jessicabeau - it's not all about the bloodlines! Sometimes the best bloodlines can throw out some nasty surprises! In no way am I referring to horse in OP, this is just a general comment.

I have a friend who has a lovely Strinesdale Matador line riding pony stallion. Super little chap, ridden by children, throws lovely foals etc.

She also has a very very sweet and pretty sec B broodmare. Again has produced some beautiful foals to above stallion.

However, their colt foal from 3 years ago is hideous. Ugly, horrible markings, like a hat rack no matter how much you feed him, and an unpleasant temperament to boot. Certainly not likely to be suitable as a childs pony, which is what he is bred for. Needless to say he was gelded as soon as his testicles made an appearance, and will be going to the great field in the sky if he doesn't improve, as there is no job for him. So even what you think is a winning combination of genes doesn't always give you what you want.

What I am getting at, basically, is that we ought to be stricter in our breeding. If a horse is defective in any way, be it temperament, riding or conformation, then we should think twice before we allow it's genes to be replicated in the population.

Sure, everyone wants to breed a superstar, and professional riders will tolerate quirky behaviour from talented horses. But 95%+ of the horse population are not superstars, and quirky behaviour is a negative point, not a plus. Realistically those who are breeding need to consider their target market.
 
Am I the only one who feels very sorry for this mare? She's not old, she's being shunted from pillar to post with different handlers all the time, it's no wonder she's playing up, she's probably a very mixed up girl. If she was mine and to be fair to her, I'd turn her away for a couple of months and meantime do my homework and find somebody that can do a decent job of rebreaking her from scratch again, even let them compete her and take her to parties so that she sees a bit of the world with a consistent person so that the owner could take over and take her on properly if she is capable enough. If she really doesn't want the hassle of sorting her out then the offer is a generous one, many people are giving broodmares away or getting very little for them even with excellent breeding or performance history.
 
hi belive me my friend does care very much for the mare if she didnt she would have simply delt her away by now.
all the people she has been to have come recomended.
she never showed any sign of having a buck in her when she got her as a 3yr old she did all the ground work herself but felt she wanted a pro to back her to make sure it was done well, unfortunaly it wasn't'
she was only there 2 weeks then went on to another pro who did the job properly , she was there 2 weeks then came home.
this was when she was 3.
she has not been off the yard (other than shows etc) for the last 2 years but this prob still remained.
untill 3 weeks ago when she was sent away again to another so called pro who failed.
she is now with someone that is doing some good but cash is running out.
she has tryed turning her away for a few months with no succes.
its not she doesnt want the hasstle of sorting her out belive me she has tryed for the past 3yrs.
she has spent a fortune getting help in but it seems now the horse is not going to stop doing this which is a real shame because i think with the right rider who is going to work her everyday she would be ok ,maybe just lunging her before getting on if she has had a day off.
this is what my friend has been doing with sucsess, but how can you sell a horse like this on the open market.
thanks for the price oppinions hope the girl wants her on thurs sounds like a good price x
 
I would target her at an ambitious talanted gutsy young rider who wants a horse to compete without the funds to buy something ready made. They'll work her every day and take her out to see the world! You'll find a buyer no doubt. I say all the time the talanted ones are always tricky but she doesn't sound dangerous. Good Luck. x
 
Should she sell it? Hmmmm, if she can justify making more screwy horses then yes, she should. I personally wouldn't breed from a mare like that. We have a 6 yr old by Oberon and he has been an total B££$%^*! For the past two years we have had him. I backed him at 3 and a bit, he seemed sweet then out of the blue he got very very naughty. No real reason to it, but suddenly he learnt to rear (rather large) , buck, nap, bite, kick, you name it, he did it. At random, some days good, others he grew horns. Thankfully he seems to be out of the really bad tantrum stage now, and got his first DC BSJA last week. He's still a quirky sod though and I wouldn't touch another Oberon relation if you paid me. In fact, seeing this bloodline wiped out completely wouldn't bother me in the slightest! He's never going to be easy and thrives on one to one and a lot of calm, consistent work. If this mare is anything like our gelding, she will come right, but its going to take a bloody long time getting there!
 
thanks kk
shame of it is my friend copes with her great she just has blonde moments when she thinks oh she'll be fine "splat" lol
she would not have bothered her 10yrs ago 'oh how children change things


ah we couldn't find any by that bloodline with bad attitude probs ,looks like there are some then.
well done with yours he sounds worse than our madam.
she would never dream of biting anyone and acually looks quite shocked when she drops you , dont think she acually means any harm, she just seems to genuenly loose the plot if she is feeling the slightest bit fresh.
ill pass on all imfo to friend tomo thanks x
 
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