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Hi Everyone,

Long time lurker but first time I've posted. Bit of a long one so bear with me! Really appreciate any input.

I've had my mare for four years and shes now 8. Very much low level happy hacker with light schooling and the odd lesson - usually ridden 5 days a week. Shes been in quite inconsistent work and had 9 months off whilst I was pregnant (May 2019-Feb 2020 approx). Brought her back into work after this and had a niggly stiffness/not rightness with right hind which was picked up on a routine back treatment (McTimmony chiropracter) which then resolved. When this reoccurred a few months later got vet to have a look whilst out for vaccinations. He advised very slight and to get back treated again and see how it looked. This seemed to resolve the issue although we have had on off periods of slight not rightness which I have always had treated by the back lady.. At the start of this year she had an abscess so was off work while the hole dug grew out and I decided to get some sarcoids on her girth line removed at the same time. The treatment for this has left scar tissue but all seems to have healed well. I brought her back into work in May this year after the sarcoids had healed with a month of building up hack work. Thought she felt unlevel again in school when I tried to go back in so got back checked. Spoke to back lady as felt we'd been going in circles with this. Unfortunately the affected leg is no longer insured so I am having to be very canny with what to do. Decided to treat back a couple of times then re-assess. After this we felt confident to say definitely not soft tissue so got vet back out. He advised very slight lameness. Almost sound on a straight line, not positive to flexions but worse on lunge. Advised due to lack of insurance to steroid inject right hind hock. I gave her two weeks off work then hacked again. Felt good on first two hacks (first just in walk, 2nd walk and a bit of trot). Noticed that although I had been losing my stirrups occasionally felt much more stable and kept them throughout ride. I decided to take her in the school for 20mins on Monday (27th). Just did basic suppling exercises in walk for 15mins then asked for trot. Did a couple of laps in trot and was about to call it a day when she ran off with me briefly and bucked. Got her back and she felt very tense and like she wanted me off. This is so unlike her. There was nothing I could see to have set her off and she is generally a very obliging horse. Even when unlevel in school she has never reacted like this so I can only presume something is hurting her.

I plan to hack for the next couple of weeks then speak to the vet again although to be honest I am dreading getting back on and can really only hack twice a week. The real issue is I have been feeling very unenthusiastic for sometime. I am really struggling for time trying to balance working full time, family life and childcare alongside the horse. I am starting to resent the time and money spent on the horse. I had planned to see how I felt once she was brought back into work and had hoped to find a sharer to ease things somewhat. However, this last episode really shook me. I am no longer as brave as I was and I think the constant worry of something being not right and trying to feel for every misstep is really getting to me. I feel like since I have my little girl I no longer have the same ability to care for and worry about the horse too. I'm feeling very trapped at the moment.

Very long so appreciate it if anyone's read this far! Really I was wondering what peoples opinions are. I don't feel I can sell her. I was thinking of trying to loan as a companion or happy hacker. Do you think this is feasible? She is a super hack - forwards and willing but safe. Good alone and in company. Wouldn't be suitable for a novice as very much takes confidence from her rider so I think could be nappy with the wrong person. Doesn't buck or rear. Looky but not especially spooky. I was also considering retirement livery but shes still quite young and I don't have the funds to be spending a lot per month. Currently I keep her very cheaply on DIY.

Thanks very much for any advice!
 

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we have had on off periods of slight not rightness
This and what you’ve said about her being an obliging horse makes me suspect that the root of the problem has never been treated, it’s just the symptoms that have been regularly alleviated. With that in mind, I don’t know how you could sell her as a happy hacker with a potential undiagnosed serious medical condition - I’m sure there would be people interested, I just don’t know how trustworthy they would be.

If it were me, I’d adopt her out or full loan her as a companion (medical history fully disclosed) to someone I know is 100% reliable, possibly via a charity.
 

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I'm sorry to hear you are feeling down about this.

What was the vets reason for deciding it was the hock that needed injecting? Had they nerve blocked or xrayed? Why is the right hind not insured anymore prior to the injection? It does sound like something is up with your mare but I think she needs more investigation if that is the route you can go down. Of course, any kind of lameness investigation does cost a fair amount of money but for me personally, in order to even retire her, you need to know that she isn't in pain as it wouldn't be fair to leave her in that condition.

Unfortunately, in this circumstance, I think vet investigations need to happen and done properly, not just inject random joints from a visual inspection. Apologies if that is incorrect but that is how it appears from what the vet has done unless there is more information to this.

The other option is to sell her for a discounted price with medical history disclosed to someone who can afford to get her sorted but that is a risk that she won't end up being passed around and I wouldn't personally do it.
 

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Yes I think you’re right. Thinking back when I first got her she wasn’t shod behind and went very slightly not right. I had the vet out and her feet xrayed and in discussion with the farrier it was decided that she had thin soles and to shoe all round but I think this may have been the start of everything. I suspect as she’s only been in very light and inconsistent work whatever the niggly problem is it’s never fully come to light
 

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Yes
I'm sorry to hear you are feeling down about this.

What was the vets reason for deciding it was the hock that needed injecting? Had they nerve blocked or xrayed? Why is the right hind not insured anymore prior to the injection? It does sound like something is up with your mare but I think she needs more investigation if that is the route you can go down. Of course, any kind of lameness investigation does cost a fair amount of money but for me personally, in order to even retire her, you need to know that she isn't in pain as it wouldn't be fair to leave her in that condition.

Unfortunately, in this circumstance, I think vet investigations need to happen and done properly, not just inject random joints from a visual inspection. Apologies if that is incorrect but that is how it appears from what the vet has done unless there is more information to this.

The other option is to sell her for a discounted price with medical history disclosed to someone who can afford to get her sorted but that is a risk that she won't end up being passed around and I wouldn't personally do it.

Hi, the right hind is excluded on the insurance as when I sent my claim in for the sarcoid removal they noted the vet had looked at the right hind in the past (from looking at her vet history) and therefore excluded that leg. I’m kicking myself as I should have just got the full work up investigation done when the first sign of lameness occurred. When the vet came out and jabbed her hock we had a discussion of what he thought I should do. I was very clear that this leg was uninsured so we needed to be very canny money wise. He watched her trotted up did flexion tests and watched her on the lunge. From this he felt it was worth giving the hock injection a go
 

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Thanks so much everyone for your reply’s so far. It’s made me feel much better just writing my thoughts down tbh and clarified for me I certainly can’t sell. What would you do in my position regarding questions etc with the vet? I plan to just hack for a week or so then get him back out. He did say I really need to crack on a bit to see what issues etc might occur as he felt he’d want her a bit more lame to make nerve blocks worthwhile
 

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my first horse was slightly lame on a hind, i could feel it but it was quite hard to see when trotted up, it was 1/10 ...i asked an experienced friend if i should call the vet and he said to hack him for a week at normal pace, no jumping, and re-assess and if he was worse get the vet as he was so slightly lame he could come right luckily he did , he also had flat feet with thin soles and we assumed he had bruised his foot. this was a first horse so i needed to get a second opinion as i wasnt confident in my own judgement at that time....
 
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