Advice please: Which yard? (another one.... and long!)

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Any views on this on please folks?

I’m at a lovely, quiet yard, just YO, myself and 2 other owners. Mostly horses are retired or youngsters. Horses live out 24/7/365 (we do have stables for emergencies) and we have a grass arena for riding, (which will at some point in the future have a proper surface laid) this can get hard in the summer, and will become too wet to use during the winter.
I have 2 horses, a semi-retired gelding who has to live out, and a young mare bought earlier this year. I had intended getting her out and about during the summer, as she hadn’t seen much of the world, so I could keep her ticking over with hacking during the winter. They share a paddock and get along nicely.
She took a long time to totally settle, and injured herself not long after she arrived, which has set us back, (along with a few other problems) so I’ve only recently started riding her regularly and only just starting to feel ok on her (she is jumpier/spookier than my old gelding) but still not hacked out yet, as I wanted to feel confident on her before taking her on the roads (major ‘A’ road at the end of our lane!) but about ready now.
For company to hack out I have another owners’ daughter to ride my gelding, or YO on hers, but she doesn’t hack often as she works shifts. So the amount of progress we can make is very limited.

So I was feeling very low a few weeks ago, as I don’t feel I’ve got as far as I’d have liked, and with the winter closing in was worrying about what to do. Even if we get out hacking, this will only be at weekends once we lose the light, and it concerns me that I couldn’t lunge before hand, or exercise between w/ends, and if we do hit problems, I can’t work through them.

So, someone suggested moving her to another yard with facilities. It is very close, less than ¼m, they have a lovely indoor arena, and a large floodlight outdoor arena, horse-walker, lunge pen. There are plenty of people there I could hack out with, yard is well organised, hay/straw/haylage/feed/bedding all on site. Offer supported livery, as much help as you need (at an extra cost).
Downsides are that she would be in an individual paddock, and unless someone else moves and I can have their paddock, where she would be there are no horses that live out, so she would have to come in at night. Also my gelding would be left on his own, as everyone else at the current yard has their own horses together, and no chance of changing that. Mare took ages to settle at our yard, if I move her again, I might have to go through the same again. My work means that I often have to travel, can be away overnight or home late, and also due to an illness a few years back, I’m not as fit as I should be, and do suffer with lack of energy, so I am concerned about the additional work of having 2 horse at 2 yards, one of which is stabled at night. (24/7 suits me as so much more flexibility)

I did a list of pros/cons to help, but it didn't really.... I'm still torn....

Move mare to new yard:
Pros:
Use of brilliant facilities. (large indoor & floodlight outdoor arena, horse-walker, lunge pen)
Continue to ride regularly through the winter.
Plenty of people to hack out with.
Cons:
More costly in time and money
Mare may not settle very quickly, could risk further injury/difficult to ride.
Gelding left on his own.
Mare would be on her own.
2 yards to visit.
Large yard, maybe politics etc

Stay where I am-
Pros:
Horses together for company.
One yard to go to.
Mare stays settled.
Small friendly yard.
Very reasonable costs.
Cons:
Mare will only be, at best, kept ‘ticking over’ until spring, at worst turned away.
Not confident about hacking once a week on a young un-educated horse. (hence if problems, turning away until spring)
Difficult to arrange company for hacking.

So any advice or input or suggestions welcome! And well done for making it to the end if you got this far!! :D
 
It's very hard because I don't know your horse.

If it was me (with my mare, the chestnut one ;) ) I'd keep her at the same yard that she's at now, mainly because I'd rather only go to one yard on cold, dark winter mornings and evenings, secondly because she took so long to settle and would probably be the same again.

Sorry, that's not very helpful.
 
Where you are sounds a wonderful relaxed place. Your workload is virtually nothing, and all the time you have is free to ride. The other yard sounds wonderful, but I'd prefer a youngster to be out in a field with others than in a horsewalker..

Could you not ask the other yard if you could hire the arena once a week? Do you know anyone at the other yard who would hack out with you? I ride over 1/4 mile to meet friends to hack out.. Or could you find someone to hack out with you on your gelding while you ride her? Its not the end of the world if you don't do that much with her over the winter. You sound as though you're worried that she will become harder work over the winter, but being in at night and alone in the day may make her more stressed and even harder.
 
I'd stay where you are.

I'd either advertise locally to see if anyone else will hack with you, or find local facilities you can take her to so that you can lunge, ride in school etc

Or could you advertise hacking on your old horse available provided they hack with you half the time?
 
mmmm difficult one. I would say you need both horses on one yard really. Second yard sounds good facility wise (is it Watt??) but if one needs to be out not really an option. But then hard on yard one if cant get new horsie going.

Throw a curve ball..... how about another yard??? Which areas you looking in? there are more yards in that area - we in brewood (we are full at moment but there are others in area)
 
Thanks for all your replies, really interesting! I think I was just being hard on myself and guilt-tripping for not having done so much with her. It would be very stressful for me having her at the other yard, and I was like a kid in a sweet shop drooling over the beautiful indoor school..... but I did say all along that she just needs a good education, and to get out and see the world.
I'd just about reached a decision not to move, but the fact you all see it the same way really, really helps.
And I do have someone to help ride my old gelding for company, it will just be weekly through the winter and if we hit problems, then she'll be turned away until spring and we can pick up again.

Thanks you guys, you've made me feel soooooooo much better. :)

PS Kezimac - I was looking at John Brindley's yard, it has a great reputation - I could take both horses there, but I do love our little yard :o
 
Can you ride your gelding and lead her out every now and then. I think it's a good way of getting youngsters used to their hacking environment in a fairly low risk way.

I have no facilities and am very frustrated at my lack of progress sometimes, especially when I do get to ride on a surface and we make lots of progress in one session and then go a monthe just pootling at home and make none!!
You are not alone in this and at the end of the day, there's no deadline to these things..
 
I am going through the same dilema at the moment but with an old horse. He really is only used to working on surfaces..... he is not always a saint to hack out and where i currently I have been struggling to work him. The end result is a fat older horse - now hes only got a year or two left before he goes off for retirement so do I jepordise his nice comfy retirement by moving him off the yard hes at - its fab for oldies and so laid back and horse friendly or do I hire an arena two or 3 times a week - yep loads of cost..... but

I am in the same area as you - why dont you box up and hire rod, or watt once a week ? the rates are not too bad and it may help with seperation, getting her used to new places and working as soon as she gets there - ie building for the future - what about lessons could you have a lesson a fortnight or one a month at someone elses yard ?

I know how you feel - I am exactly the same and so undecided - and I was at a place yesterday for a lesson that had the most fantastic surface and the horses were just pinging off it - and it was flat and it was not rutted - and i really really want to move their NOW :)
 
I have been on a yard with ample turnout but no facilities for several months now. On the plus side it is much cheaper, on the minus side the field is not always suitable for riding in so hacking is then the only exercise option. One of the horses really needs a surface to work on as his legs can be creaky, and there is a showjumping pony who also needs to work all the year round so I am looking at another yard which at least has the option of an indoor school.

The downside there is that I will lose the 24/7 turnout option and incur extra costs..particularly in the case of the brood mare who can happily live out, however she will adapt back to coming in at night
 
I am going through the same dilema at the moment but with an old horse. He really is only used to working on surfaces..... he is not always a saint to hack out and where i currently I have been struggling to work him. The end result is a fat older horse - now hes only got a year or two left before he goes off for retirement so do I jepordise his nice comfy retirement by moving him off the yard hes at - its fab for oldies and so laid back and horse friendly or do I hire an arena two or 3 times a week - yep loads of cost..... but

I am in the same area as you - why dont you box up and hire rod, or watt once a week ? the rates are not too bad and it may help with seperation, getting her used to new places and working as soon as she gets there - ie building for the future - what about lessons could you have a lesson a fortnight or one a month at someone elses yard ?

I know how you feel - I am exactly the same and so undecided - and I was at a place yesterday for a lesson that had the most fantastic surface and the horses were just pinging off it - and it was flat and it was not rutted - and i really really want to move their NOW :)

Yes that does sound similar.... when you find a happy yard, it's a tough decision.
No yards I can use locally other than Kingswood, which I can hack to, only a few minutes down the road, but rates are £25 to hire the school, and if I pay an instructor on top of that, and do it weekly.... OUCH!!! (Unless you want to box over and split a lesson with me ;) lol!!!)
We have no transport, so boxing isn't an option either.
Ah well, maybe we just have to take it a bit slower than I'd planned, but I guess that's not going to be a problem long-term.
 
I'd stay put. If your girl is a youngster one winter isn't going to make much difference and if you and more importantly both your horses are happy at your current yard then why move her? If come the spring you feel you need to do more then consider moving her. I'd say stay do what you can and try to not stress over it. ;)
 
I'd move both horses to the new yard - then you can still keep them out together 24/7 if you wish, and have ample opportunity to bring your young horse on.
 
Since I know you and you know me. What about parkfarm? We just had to move murphy back there and theres quite a lot of space up there now.
 
I couldn't cope with horses on different yards, too much extra work. I can understand your dilemma though, if it were me I would look for somewhere that has facilities that you could move both horses to where you can keep them in the same paddock and that will allow 24/7 turnout.
 
What about doing what I am thinking of doing -have a stable at the other yard as well? it will probably work out cheaper that way.

~Its what i am going to ask to do, so i can travel both of mine and leave one in the stable whilst i work the other one.
 
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Having just about reached a decision to stay put, I just had a call to say another vacancy has come up at the yard I was looking at, the paddock is next to other horses that are out 24/7/365, and is actually big enough for 2, so I could take both my horses, (but pay only for 1 stable), and they could live out together.
So now it's just cold feet about leaving a yard I love which is quiet and small, and moving to a new 'big' yard with the lovely facilities.....
Monthly cost comparison is £80 for existing yard vs £155 at the new one (both prices are for 2 horses)

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