After my fall last wk, farrier came... 4 got to put in road nails..

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Well my farrier came to have a chat with me and look at my horse's feet, "as the horse slipped on the road last Monday and fell on top of me". http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...rue#Post4079964
Horse o.k and myself went to A&E, and pleased to say all o.k apart from soft tissue damage to left side of body where the horse fell on me, but healing well
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. Farrier apologised and said that I always have road nails in ALWAYS, but on this occasion he had seemed to have forgotten to put the road nails in my horses feet!!!!! he then put two road nails in each foot, Apologised again, and off he went... Now i like my farrier.... but I'm not happy.... what to do. Advise pls, p.m!! I no these things can happen.... but i can't help thinking, what if's and but's????
 
id leave it, if hes good etc. then i owuldnt worry, i know you fell off etc. but these things happen, you can put all the studs and road nails in you want, but it still couldve happened!
 
He says he forgot, sounds like he forgot. People forget things, sorry but that is life. If you still want to use the same farrier, then all you need to do is every time he comes to shoe your horse, simply remind him that you want road nails.
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My farrier knows all of my horses very well, however he can forget from time to time which ones need different types of trims. I just remind him (yep every single time he comes) which ones need which trims.
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Humans make mistakes!

If he is a good farrier, accept his apology and the fact that he came out to put road studs in quickly.

If you want to start going down the claim route for negligence consider this - you should have picked your horses feet out, so why didn't you notice something was missing and not ride on the roads?

So yes annoying (and scary), but its probably 50:50 between you and the farrier as you shouldn't take anything for granted.
 
Why the need to do anything else, it sounds like he forgot an honest mistake there is no serious damage done by the sounds of it, just have a check each time to make sure road nails in the future, if he is good normally I would not be doing anything else..
 
Were you there when he shod your horse? Did you specifically ask for road nails when you booked? My farrier has, on occasion, forgotten to put road nails in - but I would never blame him, its me who is paying him for his services, therefore I should tell him what I want! It is all too easy to assume
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TBH, I very much doubt that having road nails would have prevented your horse from slipping. To slip that badly that he fell means that the road must have been seriously bad, and as good as road nails are (and they do help) they are not infallible. I wouldnt say a word more to your farrier about it; he's apologised, which is more than many would do!
 
I think you did well getting an apology & an extra visit.

At the end of the day you should have checked his feet & noticed yourself when you picked them out. Even if the farrier did put road nails in, they would probably have been a bit worn by a few weeks later & therefore would not necessarily have prevented your accident.

If you are that worried about the what if's, then horses aren't the game for you.
 
sound like a genuine error, no one is to blame ... or we will all be signing disclaimer tickets at every shoeing!!

im sure he wont forget again it doesnt like he does frequently, but for your own safety if your horse is a bit slippy on her feet/ your roads are slippy i.e. your dependant on your road nails you should double check they have definately been done. When it comes to your safety dont ever presume or rely on someone else, always check.

My farrier forgot mine once i noticed when picking her feet out so it does happen, everyone makes mistakes! i suppose all those feet start to look the same at some point of the day!!

if this slippy part of road is regularly used by many horses it might be a nice idea to put a Slippery road sign up for other road users to stop the same thing happening again, other people may get hurt worse than you.
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hope your healing ok.
 
I could be wrong and I am really sorry if I am but I get the feeling that you are wondering whether you might have a 'claim' against your farrier - you might do but IMO it would be the wrong thing to do.
He has said sorry and confessed to forgetting (although I thought it was friend of his who shod your horse last time?) and I am sure that the shock of your accident will be enough for him not to forget again.......
 
I wouldnt do anything. He is human. He made a mistake. You could well have fallen off with road nails in....
 
IMO we are all only human and there is too much "Where there is blame there is a claim" attitude about nowadays.
If we are all not careful nobody will do anything without a disclaimer.
I would thank my lucky stars that the accident wasn't worse.
I'm glad you are on the mend
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Mistakes and accidents happen, I know it wasn't a nice experience but you need to move on, stop thinking about what could have happened - it didn't.

We all know riding is a risk sport, nobody forces up into the saddle, it is our own decision.
 
Thanks every one for your thoughts on this
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crap happens, I know... but it does'nt mean you have to be happy about peoples mistakes.... Also have written to the council about the road.
 
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Thats brilliant, I would also follow it up with a phone call in a week or so...... bl00dy council round here have decided to remove the road repair budget and only repair or resurface when enough people complain!
 
Road nails are no guarantee that a horse still won't slip and go down. A good friend of ours was out hacking her horse along a road they'd been done heaven knows how many times. Her horse had road nails in - and went down and cut his knees so badly you could actually see the bones...

Thankfully he recovered fully and she was shaken but unhurt.

A huge problem these days are the surfaces they put down which are about as un-horse friendly as they come.

Glad that you are mending, soft tissue damage can be worst than a break until the bruising comes out.
 
I have to say that despite having road studs in, my horse can still slip on some roads that we ride on due to how worn they are (the roads not the studs). I'm always particularly careful to ride the horse conservatively on these parts of the roads, knowing how bad they are.

I do agree with MizElz, if the horse went down chances are nothing could have prevented it. And it was a very unfortunate accident.

I'm sure your not happy - but your farrier has apologised. As another poster said, ensure you're present when your horse is shod - and remind the farrier each time. It's what I do, because that's my responsibility.
 
I'd be more worried that he has put TWO road nails in than not at all....
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the "grip" now will be far too severe..i'd just be sticking to a slow walk out on the tarmac if i were you...
 
I would leave it. It was a genuine mistake and we all make them. Soemtimes this means people can get hurt; luckily, in your case, no one did get seriously hurt.

Road studs make a small amount of difference and my clumpy warmblood still slips walking down hills sometimes.

If your farrier is good then I would be reluctant to piss him off for something that was a) a genuine mistake; and b) something he has apologised for and put right.

Hope you are feeling better soon.x
 
Was it an SMA surface on the road where you fell? If so complete a slippery road questionnaire on BHS website AND complain to the council. I am in the process of getting our local council to agree to put higrip bands down either side of an SMA road to prevent horses slipping on it. As for the farrier, he's apologised and sorted the problem so just check he's put them on every time he shoes.
 
We all make mistakes and if he has addmitted to it and appologised then he is better than most. Just put it down to experience.

My horse has come down on the roads (with new road nails in) so I always now use knee pads on her just in case it happens again.

I also hope that you are feeling a lot better now - must have been quite a shock.
 
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Was it an SMA surface on the road where you fell? If so complete a slippery road questionnaire on BHS website AND complain to the council. I am in the process of getting our local council to agree to put higrip bands down either side of an SMA road to prevent horses slipping on it. As for the farrier, he's apologised and sorted the problem so just check he's put them on every time he shoes.

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Will go to the B.H.S web site. Thanks
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Had an e-mail from the council and they are now looking into it!!!!
 
http://archive.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/2004/10/15/10578.html

This is when I went to the paper a few years ago about our local roads. The article in the paper was much longer and had my picture with my husband and horses in it! I was on at the council for months. Then they resurfaced the roads around the village one by one, using a high grip surface and filling potholes. Of course, the roads now need treatment again but I am not there anymore.

I never did own the yard - they made that up! They also changed what I said (in the quote) and exaggerated the incidents. ONE friend had been fallen on by her horse that slipped! However, it got the desired result (or helped), so no matter! The local tabloid rag!
 
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