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Using this lockdown time to do some digging on allbreedpedigree but a bit confused by some of the colour abbreviations: does anyone know what 'sm blk' stands for? Obviously "sm black" but I'm not sure what the sm is ? (It's a highland pony if that helps).
Also - 'bald' in names; does it mean a bald (white faced) horse, or a coloured? Specifically talking about thoroughbreds so I'm assuming it's a horse with a white face. But want to double check.
Ditto 'spot' in names - again in TBs but far enough back that the animal in question was majority arab/barb mixes than anything like a modern TB. Fleabitten grey or genuine spotted?

Also, 'yellow' in arabs' names: what does this mean, as I didn't think cream or dun dilutes had ever occurred in arabs? I'm going pretty far back so appreciate it may be a case of 'we don't know' when it comes to colours/markings etc.
Again in arabs, when it's a family then a number (e.g. 'family number 15') is this a female family, as I was under the impression that arab pedigrees used mare families to record pedigrees, but I could be wrong?

Thanks to anyone able to shed any light :) Happy to pull up links/screenshots to the specific horses I mean if needed.
 
Sm black could be smokey black ie black with two dilute genes?

Yellow in Arab names seems to have been for flaxen chestnuts, from what I remember. You’re quite right, cream and dun have never been in the Arab Breed.

No idea on bald but spots could be horses in Tertrach’s line with the weird spotting type markings which I can’t remember the proper name for? He was called the ‘Spotted Wonder’ and I’m sure the patterns would have been expressed before him.

Fascinating stuff!
 
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Bald just means 'white'. It is an old term - think of bald headed eagles, they aren't unfeathered like a vulture, they have white feathers on the head/neck. I have no idea if a bald TB would be a white/grey or what we would now call a dominant white (like The Opera House pictured below) but it probably is based on how the horse looks if it is an old term.

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Snowfilly said:
Sm black could be smokey black ie black with two dilute genes?

Yellow in Arab names seems to have been for flaxen chestnuts, from what I remember. You’re quite right, cream and dun have never been in the Arab Breed.

No idea on bald but spots could be horses in Tertrach’s line with the weird spotting type markings which I can’t remember the proper name for? He was called the ‘Spotted Wonder’ and I’m sure the patterns would have been expressed before him.

Fascinating stuff!
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They’re actually called Tetrarch spots after the stallion himself ?
 
Smokey black is black with one cream dilute gene. two dilute genes and they would be smokey cream, Highlands don't have the cream gene though as far as I know.
 
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Snowfilly said:
Sm black could be smokey black ie black with two dilute genes?

Yellow in Arab names seems to have been for flaxen chestnuts, from what I remember. You’re quite right, cream and dun have never been in the Arab Breed.

No idea on bald but spots could be horses in Tertrach’s line with the weird spotting type markings which I can’t remember the proper name for? He was called the ‘Spotted Wonder’ and I’m sure the patterns would have been expressed before him.

Fascinating stuff!
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double diluted blacks are smokey creams though, visually they look like perlinos. Highlands don't have cream dilution though and never have done so far as I'm aware?

Spotted Wonder is in the pedigree I'm looking through though! I'd completely forgotten all the weird mutations that crop up in TBs so thank you.
 
Okay! So some further digging has revealed the numbered families to be TBs http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Families/Family7.htm

Still confused about the cream, though; it says here there was no word to describe buckskins, so they were called duns, but obviously some (e.g. 'oxford dun arabian') were cream dilutes as they produced palomino offspring, despite being described as arabs. However there's also a 'turk' stallion in the pedigree - as I understand it, a turk would be an akhal teke (which would explain the cream if they were crossing tekes and arabs). But then the oxford arabian is buckskin (well in paintings, he's a yellow horse with black mane and tail) and it doesn't go any further back. http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Bios/WelbeckArabians.htm
 
That's an amazing find chinchilla - I can't help with your questions but I used to work at Welbeck as a racehorse work rider and I never even knew that they used to breed arabs way back when! Very interesting.
 
Wheels said:
That's an amazing find chinchilla - I can't help with your questions but I used to work at Welbeck as a racehorse work rider and I never even knew that they used to breed arabs way back when! Very interesting.
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I'd heard of them in relation to Tbs nowadays, apparently the estate used to breed imported arabs under the earl of oxford (hence the name of the horse) although this book https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...bXbAuEQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=dun&f=false seems to be suggesting the 'oxford dun arabian' stallion at wellbeck was an akhal teke whilst only the bloody-shouldered arabian was actually an arabian.
 
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