Am I behind the times, is this 'normal'?

[Fools Motto]

http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/987311-whippet-x-chocolate-poodle-newcastle-under-lyme.html

To be born in February?!? Advertised already??

(I was only looking, and want a Whippet X)

 

[s4sugar]

A load of spherical objects!

 

[Dizzle]

That is hilarious..
"They dog will be this big, with this coat, etc etc"
"Nothing is guaranteed"

 

[s4sugar]

"The pup's will moult less than other breads so will mean a clean house"

You couldn't make it up.
What bread moults?

 

[aintgotnohay]

how does she know it will be in season in november lmfao ive just picked myself off the floor.how does she know it will be pregnant.the list is endless.think im going to start this with my toy poodles lol.

 

[Bellasophia]

What a sad- ad. Maybe it's the poor mans alternative to a bedlington-whippet cross,which is actuallysought (not sort, as in ad)after in the coursing world...however,I've never heard of an intentional poodle ,whippet cross before

In the real world brown poodles are called brown,not chocolate.
....still ,they do promise the buyers a clean house as the hybrid won't shed,housework will be "whippet "into shape in no time no doubt.I must get on the waiting list!

 

[wildhorses]

I think this happens quite a bit.

Bitches are fairly regular with their seasons. I know that my bitch will be in season in October. I'm assuming that they will be scanned in pup when the time is appropriate so numbers will be known before birth, it's actually a fairly good way of breeding.

Having a waiting list for puppies is a good thing to do, at least the breeder knows if their is a market for the offspring or not and the resulting puppies may already have homes for them.

I think the cross is known as a 'Whoodle" it seems poodles are being used across pretty much everything to breed designer dogs that do not shed, better for allergy sufferers or something nuts.

 

[aintgotnohay]

I think this happens quite a bit.

Bitches are fairly regular with their seasons. I know that my bitch will be in season in October. I'm assuming that they will be scanned in pup when the time is appropriate so numbers will be known before birth, it's actually a fairly good way of breeding.

Having a waiting list for puppies is a good thing to do, at least the breeder knows if their is a market for the offspring or not and the resulting puppies may already have homes for them.

I think the cross is known as a 'Whoodle" it seems poodles are being used across pretty much everything to breed designer dogs that do not shed, better for allergy sufferers or something nuts.

i did breed a few poodle crosses but stopped it as its getting out of hand.even though i health test my poodles and do things by the book alot of these crosses with these silly names are fetching ridiculous amounts of money.on preloved at this moment are some cockerpoos fetching over £1000 and these silly names.these dogs do moult aswell and its wrong some adverts state they dont.

 

[PucciNPoni]

while I don't condone breeding these crosses -

1 - he's getting a list, not taking money at this point. I think this is fairly responsible rather than scamming. I see this as gauging interest.

2 - if he knows his bitch, he'll have a fairly good idea when she'll come in to season so probably can predict a future litter - although he'll not guarantee pregnancy. But his wording is carefully chosen so doesn't promise anything.

So apart from the bad breeding, the misspellings and all the other designer dog issues, I don't see it as hugely problematic. And he's not looking for massive amounts of money either....

 

[MurphysMinder]

^^^ This. With Evie's litter I had people waiting for pups from early September, for a litter I anticipated would be born in March. I was pretty sure when she would be in season as she had usually been within a few days of 6 months, so was able to predict when any litter would be due. If I hadn't had a few people waiting she would not have been mated

I obviously don't condone the cross breeding etc but at least he is not relying on people impulse buying after seeing pictures of cute puppies.

 

[Clodagh]

I'm on a waiting list for a lab pup to be hopefully born next year so that bit seems sensible. Wouldn't a poodle x whippet make a cracking hunting dog/lurcher?

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. . Wouldn't a poodle x whippet make a cracking hunting dog/lurcher?

Common sense would say not, but some of the best lurchers which I've had have come from the most unlikely origins, so who knows?!

With the breeding of Lurchers, there's a rule book, but ………!!

Alec.

 

[Kaylum]

rule with breeding is a good breeder never has to advertise, their dogs will be so good people enquire when they have seen their dogs. I have never bought from an advert only through enquiries and then had to wait 2 years for my last one.

People are so clueless when buying a puppy. You look at the mother and father before putting a deposit down on any unborn pup. You learn about the breed and how it should look and behave.

No wonder so many poor dogs end up in rescues.

Don't answer an advert until you have seen the mother and father.

 

[PucciNPoni]

rule with breeding is a good breeder never has to advertise, their dogs will be so good people enquire when they have seen their dogs. I have never bought from an advert only through enquiries and then had to wait 2 years for my last one.

fair point.

 

[wildhorses]

Wouldn't a poodle x whippet make a cracking hunting dog/lurcher?
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=704427#6cmxMZuPTG8LQ0se.99

Common sense would say not, but some of the best lurchers which I've had have come from the most unlikely origins, so who knows?!
image: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile-new.png


Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=704427#6cmxMZuPTG8LQ0se.99

I wouldn't have thought that the poodle would have enough drive in it, when compared to something like a Beddlington. My family breed lurchers and when considering the Poodle/whippet cross I can't imagine what benefit the poodle would add. Maybe a standard Poodle might give a better nose, or training ability.

I honestly don't know what is the thing with putting poodle in everything, what can it offer that the Beddlington, for example, cannot. Beddy/whippet classic lurcher cross, heart or a lion and I have never seen a bad one.

 

[Clodagh]

I think poodles are generally intelligent and trainable, crossed with a whippet I would envisage a cracking rabbiting dog. Bedlingtons are at the end of day terriers so I am sure a beddy lurcher would not be as trainable? I have a saluki whippet lurcher who really wouldnt win any awards for trainability so this is all guess work.

 

[PucciNPoni]

poodles might not have the prey drive, but they have the smarts and the willingness to please - so what they haven't got by instinct they soon make up.

Found this interesting reading http://www.gundogmag.com/breeds/gun-dog-breeds-standard-poodle/

 

[wildhorses]

I think a standard poodle over a greyhound would be a better choice! It would definatly put some brains into the lurcher and maybe the super lurcher to take on the collie crosses

 

[MurphysMinder]

rule with breeding is a good breeder never has to advertise, their dogs will be so good people enquire when they have seen their dogs. I have never bought from an advert only through enquiries and then had to wait 2 years for my last one.

People are so clueless when buying a puppy. You look at the mother and father before putting a deposit down on any unborn pup. You learn about the breed and how it should look and behave.

No wonder so many poor dogs end up in rescues.

Don't answer an advert until you have seen the mother and father.

I agree with most of this, but would say that the majority of good breeders would not own both parents. That doesn't mean to say people shouldn't get all information about the sire, and have the opportunity to see the sire, but it isn't always possible. In GSDs many bitches are taken to Germany for mating, obviously nothing is stopping people making the journey to see the male, but I doubt many owners, particularly those just wanting pets, would bother.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I put my name down for a puppy before the bitch was in season a while back (pup is now 9 months)
I knew what I wanted and knew someone who was planning to breed a litter locally (and In my case with bloodlines from my old dog)
The bitch didn't actually come into season when due but I waited and had pick of the litter.

 

[Kaylum]

I agree with most of this, but would say that the majority of good breeders would not own both parents. That doesn't mean to say people shouldn't get all information about the sire, and have the opportunity to see the sire, but it isn't always possible. In GSDs many bitches are taken to Germany for mating, obviously nothing is stopping people making the journey to see the male, but I doubt many owners, particularly those just wanting pets, would bother.

And that's where the process falls down. its not just about health tests, its bent legs, weak backs exactly the same as you would access a horse. pups with bad mouths/jaws. You have to see what your getting because vets bills are big big big and cost of buying is a lot these days. Poodles are being over bred to breed crossbreeds. Google poodle stud dogs you will see exactly what I mean. Wouldn't use any of them to be honest they let their dogs mate with anything and the owners of these dogs are to blame for overbreeding of dogs in this country as much as the owners of bitches and the buyers of puppies. The chain goes on.

 

[MurphysMinder]

I meant see the sire in the flesh, there are usually loads of videos etc, of the dogs. My older bitch's sire is in Germany. Before I had her I had seen videos of him in the show ring and working, and of course all health test results. I also knew the breeder would have chosen the best to complement his bitch I was just pointing out that the breeder having both parents would actually flag up warning signs to me that it was just a mating to produce a nice income. After all no stud fees or expenses if you have the male there too.
I don't need to google, I know exactly what you mean, and agree it is those who let their dogs be used to produce the various doodles etc who are adding to the problem, easy money without even the hassle of whelping a bitch.

 

[Kaylum]

oh sorry I didn't mean gsd I know your very knowledgeable. I meant people breeding without a thought just for money. I also hate when they put do not shed. All dogs shed unless they have no hair.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

That seems a very strange cross. Not sure they will be sought after. I have a springer/collie cross and she is a fantastic dog that I paid £30 for because she isn't a pedigree. Wanted another one to keep her company and found that the designer dogs had taken off and breeders were asking more for a cross so ended up buying a very well bred English Springer for £100 less than a breeder wanted for a collie/springer. Crazy.

 

[s4sugar]

Got offered an eight month old poodle cross today - dam standard poodle, sire a harlequin great dane. Pup is a merle so a pretty colour, double coat so will shed like billy-O and totally untrained and what b***ard uses a dog twice the size on a bitch? Correct;- someone after pups to sell for silly money to idiots.

When will people learn ?.......( please don't answer that!)

The pups in the original ad will be mongrels not whoodles - and they will probably be black - a colour traditionally difficult to rehome.

 

[Alec Swan]

I think a standard poodle over a greyhound would be a better choice! It would definatly put some brains into the lurcher and maybe the super lurcher to take on the collie crosses

The problem with any poodle, I think, is that when they gallop, they don't 'really' extend, and so they'd be the limiting factor in the production of pups. Their stride is simply far too short in that at full speed, they tend to bounce and have no real length of stride. The other problem with all those Standards that 'I'VE' ever seen, is that they aren't really the brightest dogs in the world! Lovely and loveable, but a wee bit dim.

(Sorry to any Standard owners, but that's always been my experience of them!).

Alec.

 

[Bellasophia]

I'm on my third standard poodle and have to say that the word s" dim" and " poodle" do not belong in the same sentence. They are extremely clever dogs ,but I do agree ,not as universally suited as a collie or whippet for a working lifestyle.They do have a quirky mindset but tune in with their owners so as to be symbiotic if the respect is there.Some standards have become successful working retrievers ,but they are the exception to the rule.I believe they find the repetition boring and thus switch off.
The poodle temperament is very different within the breed and even within a litter ,which does not favor them as a purely working dog.Ive had a hunter with high prey drive(UK dog), one who excelled at obedience(German dog) and finally my Swedish boy(Adonis show boy) the latter most happy to "just "be a companion animal.

 

[PucciNPoni]

I'm on my third standard poodle and have to say that the word s" dim" and " poodle" do not belong in the same sentence. They are extremely clever dogs ,but I do agree ,not as universally suited as a collie or whippet for a working lifestyle.They do have a quirky mindset but tune in with their owners so as to be symbiotic if the respect is there.Some standards have become successful working retrievers ,but they are the exception to the rule.I believe they find the repetition boring and thus switch off.
The poodle temperament is very different within the breed and even within a litter ,which does not favor them as a purely working dog.Ive had a hunter with high prey drive(UK dog), one who excelled at obedience(German dog) and finally my Swedish boy(Adonis show boy) the latter most happy to "just "be a companion animal.

I agree here, and have to laugh at the DIM comment by Alec.

Definitely not a word I'd ever heard used about poodles. Sure I've met some right plonkers as individuals, but not categorically speaking.

And as far as extend? yes they do like to spend time "in the air" so to speak but there again, you've got some bouncy ones and you've got some flat out speed demons. I can imagine that all breeds will have individuals that move and behave differently - it's why conformation and temperament are so important within breed standards.

 

[wildhorses]

I have a small poodle, don't know if she is a cross breed or not as she was a rescue, she is extremely intelligent, fast, has stamina to burn, 12 hours+ of hill walking and she will come back as fresh as she went out, but she is mental! Doesn't stop, is continually busy. She would work all day and is excellent bushing and has a strong interest in feather.

I think the whoodle as a type probably wouldn't be too bad, personally I'd rather a Beddlington/whippet but that's just me. I asked the question about Poodle crosses on a working lurcher site and although there was some horror displayed at the idea, from the people who had had them and worked them there was a fair bit of support for the cross, even preferred to the much more widely used Collie influence. The only issue that seemed to come up was the tendency to hunt on, which is a risk with any intelligent working dog with a lot of nose. So it's not unheard of and a guy from Norfolk used to breed them pre-ban in a mix with Saluki/deerhounds as coursing dogs.

I don't mind the breeding of cross breeds, all lurchers are mongrels and the breeds we see today have evolved from other breeds and seeing how the showing fraternity has ruined so many pedigrees, to me it is preferable. Breeding from bad stock is poor practice and utterly irresponsible no matter what you are producing. When I breed a litter, I spend a lot of time researching the lines before choosing a suitable mate, but when it came to finding a whippet stud for one of my lurchers, I shied away completely from the weedy, hunch backed show lines as they are just not suitable to do a job.

 

[Bellasophia]

if you want a working poodle in N.Europe they also do the MH test on their breeding stock..
http://www.rottfans.fi/Photos/koda/MH test in english.pdf
My own dogs sire has done this test as well as having titled in conformation and passed all health testing available for the breed...he is the most well rounded dog I've met in the breed.
Just have a gander at his testing..it puts our British breeding standards in the shade (Morgan).
http://www.calie.se/text1_10.html
The. Breeder also gives three years of health insurance with every pup she produces.