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Some of the comments on this thread have made me smile. How many of you think that I am too heavy, at 13 stone, for my dainty 15.3hh part bred Arab?
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I know exactly what you mean! I thought I was to big to ride anything other then a cob (14stone) and reading things like this make me sit and think how much of a wide choice I really do have
I can't believe you turned down someone 16stone for an 18hh! pickle is 17.1hh and quite confortably takes my 16stone dad, both while he was learning more and now as a more experienced rider. He'll jump and do hour lessons doesnt even sweat!
I posted a similar reply the other day on a thread where someone wasn't sure whether to loan her horse to someone because she 'looked' to be about 15 stone. You can't tell what a person weighs by looking at them. For a start, I would not look at MizElz and think 'hey, you look to be about 13 stones'. People come in different shapes and sizes and, yes they should choose an appropriate horse for their weight/height; but as my master saddler, who's been doing the job for 40 years, said, so many people are far too prescious about the carrying ability of horses, because they hear someone else say something along the same lines and adopt it as gospel.
I try to answer these kinds of threads with my tongue-in-cheek, because it really is something that bothers me. I know what the scales say does not add up to how I look, but that doesnt stop me worrying about how Ellie herself feels when my great backside is in the saddle! That link did make me chuckle...and you're very right, I would say that is exactly what a lot of people envisage when they imagine '15 stone'
Those who have replied on here with regards to heavy riders who 'ride light' are absolutely spot on, too. As for the OP, I think the horse looks lovely, and well up to weight. The best advice I could give would be to try it - I think you know instinctively if you feel under/overhorsed
I really like the look of the mare (but I do echo the warnings re wb mares - purely as I have one).
I think this debate is quite interesting I feel incredibly guitly sometimes on my mare - and would certaintly not allow a 'heavy, unbalanced' rider on her. But I think that comes from a personnal hang up.
But I do completely agree (I think it was Kerrlli) that if someone was 16stone I would probably turn them away from any of my horses - purely because I know my horses and I don't have weight carrier types.
Well if your to heavy for this mare then i better sell both of mine and not go near a horse again. it depends on how you ride you can have an 8 stone person who sits like a sack of S*it and you can have a 15 stone rider who sits nice and light.
I agree that it is how the person rides, specifically whether they are behind the movement, that determines how much strain there is on the horse's back.
I have taught in riding schools where large, probably very heavy men rode lightly, and petite little women rode like a sack of bricks.
Nathan - that horse looks fine for you.
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So still no "reason" why 16 stone is to heavy for your 18hh warmblood???? Just IYO?
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because i don't want him to have to carry that much weight. simple.
oh, and the fact that he's used to me (10-11 stone) and i think the significant extra weight (a 16 stone guy, in the saddle is going to be more like 17 1/2 stone total weight, i think) might bring back his humungabuck, which hasn't surfaced for 6 years or so.
I don't want a comparative novice, heavy rider having a horrible fall off my horse, so i'm not going there.
This is Pickle jumping with someone just over 16stone on him, to me he doesnt look like he is struggling! you would be fine on a horse that size its only 3inches smaller in height to pickle.
i think alot of it is to do with the amout of bone the horse as tbh! i have a new forest x and very fine connemara one 13.2 and connie 14.2 and there is a girl on my yard that i wouldnt have any problem with her riding my 13.2 and she has jumped him and he was quit happy popping round a 3ft course at home with the girl riding him but if she asked to ride the connie i wouldnt let her as i simply dont think she would be comfortable with that amount of weight! i have had another look at the warmblood and it doesnt look a weedy sort but i quotre others that have said i suppose it depends on the way you ride as to wether the horse would be comfortable.
Horse and rider's fitness and the activity make a lot of difference.
Our American Quarter Horse is just 15hh and by their standards quite dainty. Yet she carries my 13st husband and a heavy western saddle happily.
Admittedly our show classes are not overstrenuous in themselves but he will do a lot of canter work to warm her up.
And over a three day show you can be in the saddle up to 5hrs a day.
Yet she comes back from a show, often where I've ridden her as well (I'm 10.5 stone), has one day off and she's raring to go again.
She's fit and well muscled and we're experienced riders and this has been her routine for three seasons. My husband wouldn't hunt her (altho I hunted our last mare who was the same size) or go on a 20 mile sponsored ride on her.
So for us it's all about getting the balance between what she's capable of carrying and what she's comfortable doing.
Hehe, I remember my personal trainer once telling me a story about one of the blokes he was doing some refittening work with after he'd had an accident. He had to be weighed for some reason and when he got on the scales, the person weighing him said the scales must be faulty and went to get another set! They said more or less the same weight and the person weighing him asked him if it was correct, to which the bloke lifted his trouser leg to reveal a metal leg!!!
wow, so many comments, sorry for the late reply i have been out all day, i do i carry my weight well in th saddle and i have already started to have jumping lesson at the riding school, i also have 2 x 12.2 ponies for my daughter and shes only just turned 7 and is jumping well over 2ft 3 jumps with ease and i put this down to her having her own pony as well as having lessons. i will post a few picsw of her jumping after our hols.
the amount hacks we have been on where shes riding and im walking over the mountain is now taking its toll on me
i have always liked wb and for me to buy an irish draft just to learn on i think would be a waste of time and money not to say it would also be difficult to part.
anyway i will keep you guys posted on what i choose to do.
I dont think anyone was asying get an ID just to learn on, and then sell........ they are and amazingly talented breed, and would do everything you seem to want to do just as well as a warmblood...... just with a whole load less tantrums and highly strungness along the way!!