An interesting take on the 'Be Nice Head Collar'

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'In essence, this is a 'WAR BRIDLE' dressed up as a rope Halter and with a quaint name for marketing purposes. The War Bridle as invented and used by Old Australian Horsemen of the past, is a very vicious piece of work and makes virtually 100% of Horses rear. The Monty Roberts Dually Halter is of a similar design and imho, is also a War Bridle which is why at his Adelaide visit, his floating Horse reared over backwards onto it's head. Thus proving my assertion. So let's examine the training messages behind this versus the rope Halter.

First up, this Halter should NEVER be let near an Amateur, nor should the Dually Halter and definitely never the War Bridle.

The reason why you see this piece of equipment 'half work' during the Stage Shows is that given the strength of the handler and the few rips around that the Horse gets, it actually does tweek up some lost lightness in the head of the Horse and gets their attention to where they half listen to walk near a Float, so that the Yards can come into play. Nothing more than that. If that piece of equipment was an effective training Tool, YARDS would not be required.

When one takes up a feel on a rope Halter, the pressure is placed across the back of the head of the Horse and the handler has the available options of maintaining that feel if the Horse doesn't come forward, give or try or start reversing backwards. It has one request, go forwards and it has one directional request. Come, from the back of the head. If it tries, the subsequent 'reward and relief' soon signals to the Horse what is required and it learns via a reasonably efficient pointer.

With this Halter in the Photo, "Feel Good" hahahaha I love that :) if you pull on the lead rope, the Halter closes as a vice on the face of the Horse and gives pressure from front and back. Telling or asking the Horse to go forwards and backwards at the same time, not to mention the available 'pulley system' and fulcrum affect to empower the Human to become super strong, a dangerous thing to have.

So this piece of equipment has zero training qualities and is an unjust tool of training as well as cruel in a large percentage of uneducated and un timed hands of the majority. The Metal fittings don't require comment but then you have to consider that the 'brain dead' of the Horse Industry (not their fault just not taught Horsemanship) would tie their Horse up with this equipment and don't anyone tell me some wouldn't. Then you can truly imagine the foolhardiness of selling such equipment into a Market that cannot be controlled or educated.'

Lifted from the Horse Problems Australia Website.
 

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Why didn't you write your own feelings/thoughts about the headcollars or training aids or whatever? And perhaps sketch diagrams to illustrate?
You couldn't have been any less clear than that extract...
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Interesting reading, I always use a rope halter and find everything responds to them very quickly, I've actually loaded a few difficult horses are schooling them for 10 minutes. Yet half the yard use Dually halters, yet never actually school in them, just whack them on to lead their "difficult" horses to the field and give them a good yank when they start playing up :\. I did wonder about their action.

I won't use them myself but I did think these halters were probably useful in the right hands, but just like anything a lot of people don't bother to learn how to use them properly or teach the horse what it means and just expect them to be a quick fix.
 

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Like many other tools this is useful if used correctly and dangerous if misused.

The author of that piece has clearly never used one and does not know how they function. The reference to the metal pieces made me cringe that someone so ignorant of pressure effects should be writing about the subject.
 

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Why didn't you write your own feelings/thoughts about the headcollars or training aids or whatever? And perhaps sketch diagrams to illustrate?
You couldn't have been any less clear than that extract...
S :D

Sorry its not clear to you, I mistakenly thought most people knew about this sort of headcollar by now. I don't think my own views on them are that important in this context.
 

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From the 'expert's' website

Excuse me for sounding passionate when I talk about subjects such as this, but about the only thing that brings my Blood up these days is the 'cruelty to Horses' and it is still about at plague proportions via a lack of education. Once again, Pony Club has to have a bashing for this and the next subject as well.

There is a Horse and I had to go in it's yard. (something I would not be doing normally) Always rugged and always looking depressed when I drive past.

It has been manuring into it's water trough and I was asked to rectify the situation.

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Well once again, no education in the Horse Industry about THE THINGS THAT BLOODY COUNT@%^&*(+_|+*(&^%%#*+|_ Number one 'Cab off the Rank' has to be Pony Club and number to is Equestrian Australia who are responsible for the fate of this Horse. They just don't get it Folks. They are big on Cocktail Parties in the South of France but small on Horse Welfare. Their Curriculums are a joke and that is the sum total of the cause why this poor Horse with the depressed Look and the razor back inherits his fate. We may talk about the Racing Industry and the flogging of Horses with Whips for trying harder, we may talk about Rodeo but I can tell you Folks, the rampant Cruelty caused by the disorganization of the Equestrian Australia, the Horse Industry Council and Pony Club pales that into insignificance. Isn't ironic though, how the Bodies who are 'Holier than thou' are inadvertently to blame for more cruelty than the Sports with the worst reputations.

:confused: :rolleyes: This is coming from a professional?!

The 'about me' is very much worth a read too :D :D
 

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Well OP I'm glad that those words enrich your life in some way.

To me they are a load of twaddle about a gimmick I don't require.
 

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:eek: :eek: I never realised there were so many dangers!!

WARNING PAGE

BY

John O'Leary
Horseman

The following warnings are about issues of Horse Management that can and do cause serious injury and or death to horses.

Neck Rugs and Hoods are dangerous.

Leaving halters on to keep neck rugs and hoods in place is dangerous.

Loose back leg straps are dangerous

Back leg straps not crossed over can cause accidents.

Open tow bars on Horse Floats cause deaths of horses.

Tying too long inside horse floats that equipped with head divisions can be dangerous.

Over rugging horses is cruel and can cause colic and death.

Moldy hay or other feed does cause colic and possible death.

Centre divisions in Horse Floats that extend any further than 400mm down from the top can and do cause 'wall climbers or scramblers'

Riding any closer than one full horse length from the back of and the side of the back of another horse can see you kicked with a broken leg or even death.

Tying horses too long is more dangerous than tying too short.

Tying horses up solid with rope halter and Parelli type lead rope can cause serious injury to the horse if you have not done your homework and learnt about the 30 or so traps.

Skinny Hoods are often cruel and cut eyes.

Driving any faster than 50% of the recommended Road Transport speed limit for each bend will cause the floatability of your horse to be ruined.

The administration of drugs by anyone other than a Vet is illegal and possibly litigious.

Drugs do not solve training problems or control problems.

Don't jack horse floats up with car jacks. By an 'Easy Jack' and leave the horse inside.

Webbing Halters cause ignorant horses.

Salvation Jane kills horses.

Sand in the gut kills horses.

Leaving halters on horses in yards or paddocks is dangerous.

Leaving halters on foals can and does cause bone growth in the shape of a halter.

Long toed horses can and do fall with riders'

Using side reins on horses below established Elementary Dressage level diminishes mouths.

The average set of brakes that long reining can achieve is 5 out of 10

The average lateral mouth that long reining achieves is 3 out of 10

The new, thicker electric fencing wire can and does do horrendous injuries to horses.

The normal temperature of a horse is around 37.7 degrees C or 100 F. Over rugging can cause their core temperature to rise above this and de-hydrate the horse, leading to Colic.

A failure to protect your horse from Tetanus and Strangles can lead to it's death.

Low hanging tree branches in paddocks can and do cause major injuries to horses.

Cotton lead ropes cause ignorant horses.

6 foot long lead ropes are too short for control or safety. Buy a 3.6m long Parelli type rope.

Plastic leg straps are dangerous because they catch when you are removing the rug.

Rugs with false skirts which hide the belly band fittings put a handler at danger.

The new black plastic round rug clips are dangerous imho. Too long to do up or get undone, leaving the handler in the zone.

BLUE FLY VEILS BLIND HORSES AND THEY HATE THEM!!!!!!

Never stand behind the back ramp of a Horse Float when horses are inside. Severe injuries or death can result and has.

Hay Nets are dangerous if not tied high and should not be allowed to slip. They can cut a Horse to the bone.

ETA He also asks people to get details and send in photos of horses they believe are being 'over-rugged' so he can 'out' them on his website! Complete madness :eek: :eek:

Maybe he should join HHO :D
 
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Well I have a cotton leadrope AND a webbing headcollar but my horses are not ignorant. Maybe it's a double negative effect.... :D
 

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:eek: :eek: I never realised there were so many dangers!!



ETA He also asks people to get details and send in photos of horses they believe are being 'over-rugged' so he can 'out' them on his website! Complete madness :eek: :eek:

Maybe he should join HHO :D

Well, seeing as how he's Australian over rugging could be an issue there.

Tend to agree on the dramatic, he'd fit right in with HHO.
 

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What a load of b*****ks! lol

I used one of those halters for a week when my boy was a bolshy 2 year old planting & pulling off, used it correctly & sensitively when needed for a month or two, problem solved & never needed it again. Oh - and not once did he rear *rolls eyes*
 

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shouldn't be used with an amateur - depends on the amateur - I have a rope halter - not the one with metal studs in it and have NEVER had a horse rear up with it.

As others have mentioned, Shilasdair you hit the nail!
 

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Sorry its not clear to you, I mistakenly thought most people knew about this sort of headcollar by now. I don't think my own views on them are that important in this context.

If most people know about this sort of headcollar by now, why are you taking the trouble to post about it?
And why are your views less important/valid than the 'expert' quoted?
You need to be clear on your own thoughts on such things - to the point that you can explain them to other simpletons like me. :p :D
I always feel that people who use other people's words may be thinking other people's thoughts too. :(
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If most people know about this sort of headcollar by now, why are you taking the trouble to post about it?
And why are your views less important/valid than the 'expert' quoted?
You need to be clear on your own thoughts on such things - to the point that you can explain them to other simpletons like me. :p :D
I always feel that people who use other people's words may be thinking other people's thoughts too. :(
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I will try and do as you suggest.
 

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Anyone have a look at the website? GP saddles are a bad thing apparently. Have a look at the pictures of the grey pony, doesn't look like the same one in both pictures and if that's Britain, I'll give my dinner to the dog!

I have a Be Nice halter, never had a horse rear in it, I've even ridden in it :eek:

It's like anything, the tool is only as good as the person using it and sadly there are some real muppets out there.
 
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