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Tia

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This post has nothing to do with any of my horses or my farm; I am posting this on hearing about a very strange situation.

Person goes to take care of 8 horses 3 months ago sole care, no owner around. When she turned up to take sole charge of these horses way back then, a couple of horses had just arrived from an auction about 1 month previously. 1 of these horses had snuffles but no cough.

About a month into her time there; almost all of the horses had developed snuffles, were coughing, nodes appeared to be swollen and looked to be losing weight. Vet was called and took blood tests. Findings of blood tests was that they all had ulcers. Made no comment about snuffles.

Vet pops in once in a while over the next month and notices all horses are losing even more weight, so gives them some white pill each (no idea what at this stage) and comes to give every horse Gastroguard every day for a week. Vet eventually decides to take the original horse back to clinic for further tests and to care for horse.

The following day, the owner returns for 2 days, is VERY concerned about horses, however leaves the person in charge and leaves again for a week.

On her final return, she finds the horse at vets is very ill and makes the decision to have her destroyed; 3 months after symptoms appeared.

This is as much information as I was given and I have my own ideas about what I think it may be - I also have my own opinions on the handling of this, but I would appreciate your ideas on everything that happened?
 
Sounds like a very odd situation, but at the point where the horse that has snuffles didn't get better, and infected the other horses I would not have accepted a diagnosis of 'ulcers'.
 
Gawd. Well obviously some sort of virus that went through the horses - quite possibly (or obviously) highly contageous.

You don't mention any nodes turning in to any sort of abcess - so think possibly not strangles.

So bottom line is - don't know what was wrong.

But sounds as if the vet should have been shot as well as he obviously wasn't using his common in any sense of the word!!!!!
 
Me neither. I could be quite wrong but I believed that ulcers could only be truly diagnosed by tubing the horse?

Incidentally the horse is valued at $100,000 and owner is suing person who looked after them......
 
No, you're right; no abcsesses......at least not outside the body.

I do not use this vet as I have heard a number of worrying stories about her......
 
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Incidentally the horse is valued at $100,000 and owner is suing person who looked after them.....

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Who I assume in turn will sue the veterinary practice????
 
Well according to my information (which is sketchy at this point), the vet is prepared to make a statement in favour of the owner.....she and the owner are friends and she makes a lot of money from this owner.
 
Gosh how awful! Wouldn't the vet be the one to sue though? Although slightly concerning that the person in charge of the horses allowed the vet to give a small white pill without asking what it was?!
 
I've never heard that ulcers can be diagnosed through bloods
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It souns like bacterial infection maybe? Could be a virus.

I'd have wanted a postmortem
 
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Well according to my information (which is sketchy at this point), the vet is prepared to make a statement in favour of the owner.....she and the owner are friends and she makes a lot of money from this owner.

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How can that possibly stand up though.

Carer called vet
Vet diagnosed and treated animals (apparently wrongly)
1 horse dead
Others seriously ill

Dodgy. Hope carer has a very good lawyer.
 
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The person looking after the horses is a very quiet 18 years old girl.

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This get's absolutely worse.

On a lighter note - exactly what time will Cloud be foaling tomorrow???
 
OMG what an awful situation, I dont see how the carer of the horse can be to blame as they clearly sought veterinary advice many times and by the sounds of it co-operated with whatever the vet was telling them.

How dare the vet try and side with the owner! Unless of course there is more to the story.
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I have tried to find out whether a post mortem was done - so far I don't know.

One other piece of information though which I didn't mention previously is that this horse did not infact belong to "owner"; she was boarding it with her (very expensive horses). Person looking after horses was never told this.
 
And this owner left a quiet 18 year old girl in charge of horses worth that much money??? For long periods of time, when there was already questions about the health of the horses? Thats awful. Poor girl! Not sure where she stands legally though, was a post mortem carried out do you know? I guess her employment contract would be crucial. Also presumably would be difficult to actually accuse her of causing the death of the horse? What has happened to the other horses?
 
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Hope carer has a very good lawyer.

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She has now! We are taking her to a meeting with our lawyers later today.
 
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She has now! We are taking her to a meeting with our lawyers later today.

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Thought you may be involved.

Well I really do hope that this is sorted out - sounds as if there is something extremely dishonest going on here?

It's almost as bad as deliberately eltrocuting (sp) your horse and claiming the insurance money...........................
 
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exactly what time will Cloud be foaling tomorrow???

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Well Cloud has decided to cook this little one for a while longer, LOL!! It won't be coming out for at least another 10 days in my opinion.
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Presumably actual owner of the horse will be taking the yard owner to court as well then? For a. leaving them in sole charge of 18year old and b. not alerting them to the fact their horse was seriously ill??
 
The poor girl, lucky to have your support Tia!

Did she have a contract then, if not hopefully she might be ok, and the poor girl didnt even know who the horses belonged to, she is the victim in all this.
 
Surely suing wouldn't stand up in court if they had been back to check on the horses and then left them with the carer again. You can't claim that you aren't happy with the way that they looked after the horses if they were seen once they were ill but the owner allowed it to continue
 
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Well Cloud has decided to cook this little one for a while longer, LOL!! It won't be coming out for at least another 10 days in my opinion

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Excellent - because I'm off until next Tuesday
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I am sitting here speechless. What a nightmare situation for that poor girl. I am so glad she has you to help her. Poor horses, too. Are the others recovering? It does sound like a virus, but an odd one I think. But the vet is the one that needs shooting, imo. And the owner of course.
 
Sorry, totally off topic but St Bernard - your bay in your siggie looks just like my OH's mare - whats her breeding?
 
Girl had no written contract - it was verbal and she was employed on a casual labour basis.
 
Then presumably they (employer) dont have a leg to stand on? Not sure if it the same over here but am I right in saying that here they shouldn't even be employing her like that? Would be fascinated to know what the lawyer says.
 
No contract - cash in hand.

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she is the victim in all this

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I believe so. I believe she is being framed for this.
 
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Girl had no written contract - it was verbal and she was employed on a casual labour basis.

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Did the girl contact owner to tell her that the horses were ill and receiving veterinary attention???
 
Where did this horse come from, that she was boarding?

I was thinking if you are looking at flu type viruses - Potomac horse fever has coughs and anorexia associated with it. I know you'd not have the snails there but can horses be carriers and pass it on that way? Initially I was thinking strangles but if there was no sign of abscesses...

You/she/lawyer - need to really push for access to the other horses with an independant vet and depending on how long ago/ what was done with the horse they PTS - access to the body would be vital as it sounds like you cannot trust this vet or any PM she produces.

How evil to pin a scam like this on a poor 18 year old looking after the horses! What sort of owner would do that?

Good on you helping out Tia!
 
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