Chavhorse
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Well I can see that Nevada is the most beautiful horse, he is strong, willing, clever and has amazing stamina. Nope he has an injury in his near hind that will muscle spasm if you work him too hard and you have to work him through it gently
Really the best way to describe him is a “fit young horse” but he is all horse with “chilled out laid back attitude coming through some of the time” chilled and laid back 99% of the time except when he is learning something new then is is totally lacking in confidence, especially when he is in a cuddly mood, but when you ask him to do things, then he becomes a handful His idea if becoming a handful is to give you a scared look and maybe a little pull back one quick Oi stops it so hardly a handful. I can see him pulling away from you on a long line or lunge line, he thinks he is “playing” he doesn’t realise that YOU MEAN business. I just feel that he is a very dominant horse No he is in no way dominant you only have to look sideways at him and he is all “don’t kill me” in training a brief “ehhhh is enough to stop him in his tracks
However it isn’t a yes/no to whether he is perfect, that answer would be “provided you have the time, expertise and patience” you will go a long way with this chap. I truly feel he WILL be right for you but not yet! I feel that it would take a couple of years of incredibly hard work to get him to be the chap that he is inside when he doesn’t add the teenage hissy fit/tantrum/awkwardness. I do entirely feel that this is youth contributing to this As I say he can occasionally be a bit Puber but nothing dramatic like a hissy fit Vardi’s idea of a hissy fit is a curled lip and a confused look and a 30 second go of “hah I’m not putting my head down……oh ok then sorry”!, together with his dominant behaviour No way is this horse dominant , he has 100 different expressions for worried, scared or not sure about this and if you so much as raise your voice he is all “DO NOT KILL ME” which he tries with YOU and other horses I wish he was dominant with other horses save me a fortune in Green clay and wound crème!, it is equalling a bit of a nightmare no it isn't at all
I can see that this has really upset you because he was you hopes and dreams of the wonder horse for your future, I feel that you searched and waited for the right one Nope vardi was a total accidental purchase! and now you have him, the sadness is that he is right, but not yet! WTF
I feel that if you can “get support” from an experienced person well used to big dominant boys He is at the moment in Training Livery with a Western Trainer so this sort of fits but he has been there for 6 months now! he will work like a dream, but I feel that you need back up Lindy, not because you don’t have experience yourself, you would never have bought him if that had been the case, but because you need someone saying “yes, that reaction to him was right – now get tougher”! true in a way I suppose I did baby him a bit after the accident but he has been with his Western Trainer for 6 motnhs now and is a different horse
He needs a strong willed and dominant “mare/leader” to enforce the boundaries for him and to be honest Lindy, you are lovely but you don’t fit those words! You are a polite “please would you, thank you” My Husband laughed out loud at this bit! person and you need to be a “do it or there will be consequences, there you are consequences” person! Please know that I DO NOT mean aggression, but I do mean absolute positive horsemanship planned to “challenge and win”.
I feel that you have been carted around on the end of a line a couple of times no Never. and you need to get help with the ground work too Been concentrating on ground work for 6 months in a bid to get him working happily with self carriage and he is a peach to work with., not because you can’t do it but because sometimes horses need two people to work to overcome their strong temperament ?????
I keep getting that he is “right brain extrovert” which is a Parelli explanation and although I don’t actually know what one is I do sometimes get that type of explanation when the person is working in a Natural Horsemanship way. I feel that all that you have ever done is “ask him nicely” but that because of the strong nature of Nevada you now need to “tell him” pTo a certain extent I need to stop thinking of him as my broken horse and accept he is now a grown up and can more than I think he can.
I feel that you need to “give yourself a break” and perhaps spend the weekend thinking and researching and asking around, then come to a conclusion that “I am going to do this” and start again with absolute postivity! ?????
I actually feel that he will be a sound, laid back, happy chap in the future and a lovely ride, but he will always be strong willed, and you will have to “work on that the minute it shows in his actions”. Basically if you can become “lead mare” to him you will have a friend for life, if you cannot find that right energy, he will dominate you for ever and honestly make your life a misery! He isn’t trying to, he is just pushing the boundaries all the time – just like a teenage boy – and only time, patience and overwhelming love will succeed (I haven’t any worry about the love bit).
I can see why you asked if he was in pain, in case that was making him reactive, but no I really don’t feel that. No I asked due to his horrific casting accident a year ago this week that nearly killed him and the fact that he occasionally seems to get a muscle spasm in his near hind. He is reacting to ALL stimuli, the head collar, you asking nicely, the horses outside and you need to step in and over throw his dominance balls
I honestly believe that he is a bit of a pain around other horses too, as he can challenge them and they get cross with him. Although again I feel that this is totally natural. The only way he is a pain to other horses is the relentless “play with me” mentality when they get pissed off he runs a mile currently bottom of the heap and happy there!
Please know that you CAN do this and you WILL do this as long as you make up your mind 100% and then quickly get back up so that you are not on your own.
Nevada is one of the most beautiful horses I have read for and is SO very intelligent it will just be a matter of time before you get that dream horse in reality.
So I will admit I am pretty disappointed.
I would have at least expected he would have mentioned his accident last year especially as I know he has lost a lot of confidence in himself since it.
Oh well off to do battle with my overly dominant horse and see which of his field buddies he has been bothering today....
Sorry folks I am strongly back in the Cynics Corner!
Really the best way to describe him is a “fit young horse” but he is all horse with “chilled out laid back attitude coming through some of the time” chilled and laid back 99% of the time except when he is learning something new then is is totally lacking in confidence, especially when he is in a cuddly mood, but when you ask him to do things, then he becomes a handful His idea if becoming a handful is to give you a scared look and maybe a little pull back one quick Oi stops it so hardly a handful. I can see him pulling away from you on a long line or lunge line, he thinks he is “playing” he doesn’t realise that YOU MEAN business. I just feel that he is a very dominant horse No he is in no way dominant you only have to look sideways at him and he is all “don’t kill me” in training a brief “ehhhh is enough to stop him in his tracks
However it isn’t a yes/no to whether he is perfect, that answer would be “provided you have the time, expertise and patience” you will go a long way with this chap. I truly feel he WILL be right for you but not yet! I feel that it would take a couple of years of incredibly hard work to get him to be the chap that he is inside when he doesn’t add the teenage hissy fit/tantrum/awkwardness. I do entirely feel that this is youth contributing to this As I say he can occasionally be a bit Puber but nothing dramatic like a hissy fit Vardi’s idea of a hissy fit is a curled lip and a confused look and a 30 second go of “hah I’m not putting my head down……oh ok then sorry”!, together with his dominant behaviour No way is this horse dominant , he has 100 different expressions for worried, scared or not sure about this and if you so much as raise your voice he is all “DO NOT KILL ME” which he tries with YOU and other horses I wish he was dominant with other horses save me a fortune in Green clay and wound crème!, it is equalling a bit of a nightmare no it isn't at all
I can see that this has really upset you because he was you hopes and dreams of the wonder horse for your future, I feel that you searched and waited for the right one Nope vardi was a total accidental purchase! and now you have him, the sadness is that he is right, but not yet! WTF
I feel that if you can “get support” from an experienced person well used to big dominant boys He is at the moment in Training Livery with a Western Trainer so this sort of fits but he has been there for 6 months now! he will work like a dream, but I feel that you need back up Lindy, not because you don’t have experience yourself, you would never have bought him if that had been the case, but because you need someone saying “yes, that reaction to him was right – now get tougher”! true in a way I suppose I did baby him a bit after the accident but he has been with his Western Trainer for 6 motnhs now and is a different horse
He needs a strong willed and dominant “mare/leader” to enforce the boundaries for him and to be honest Lindy, you are lovely but you don’t fit those words! You are a polite “please would you, thank you” My Husband laughed out loud at this bit! person and you need to be a “do it or there will be consequences, there you are consequences” person! Please know that I DO NOT mean aggression, but I do mean absolute positive horsemanship planned to “challenge and win”.
I feel that you have been carted around on the end of a line a couple of times no Never. and you need to get help with the ground work too Been concentrating on ground work for 6 months in a bid to get him working happily with self carriage and he is a peach to work with., not because you can’t do it but because sometimes horses need two people to work to overcome their strong temperament ?????
I keep getting that he is “right brain extrovert” which is a Parelli explanation and although I don’t actually know what one is I do sometimes get that type of explanation when the person is working in a Natural Horsemanship way. I feel that all that you have ever done is “ask him nicely” but that because of the strong nature of Nevada you now need to “tell him” pTo a certain extent I need to stop thinking of him as my broken horse and accept he is now a grown up and can more than I think he can.
I feel that you need to “give yourself a break” and perhaps spend the weekend thinking and researching and asking around, then come to a conclusion that “I am going to do this” and start again with absolute postivity! ?????
I actually feel that he will be a sound, laid back, happy chap in the future and a lovely ride, but he will always be strong willed, and you will have to “work on that the minute it shows in his actions”. Basically if you can become “lead mare” to him you will have a friend for life, if you cannot find that right energy, he will dominate you for ever and honestly make your life a misery! He isn’t trying to, he is just pushing the boundaries all the time – just like a teenage boy – and only time, patience and overwhelming love will succeed (I haven’t any worry about the love bit).
I can see why you asked if he was in pain, in case that was making him reactive, but no I really don’t feel that. No I asked due to his horrific casting accident a year ago this week that nearly killed him and the fact that he occasionally seems to get a muscle spasm in his near hind. He is reacting to ALL stimuli, the head collar, you asking nicely, the horses outside and you need to step in and over throw his dominance balls
I honestly believe that he is a bit of a pain around other horses too, as he can challenge them and they get cross with him. Although again I feel that this is totally natural. The only way he is a pain to other horses is the relentless “play with me” mentality when they get pissed off he runs a mile currently bottom of the heap and happy there!
Please know that you CAN do this and you WILL do this as long as you make up your mind 100% and then quickly get back up so that you are not on your own.
Nevada is one of the most beautiful horses I have read for and is SO very intelligent it will just be a matter of time before you get that dream horse in reality.
So I will admit I am pretty disappointed.
I would have at least expected he would have mentioned his accident last year especially as I know he has lost a lot of confidence in himself since it.
Oh well off to do battle with my overly dominant horse and see which of his field buddies he has been bothering today....
Sorry folks I am strongly back in the Cynics Corner!
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