Another Colour Question - Frame

[flyingfeet]

So I was looking for a small TB for my mare, and ended up buying a stallion, who is a sweetie and main job will be to work not stud!

However he has interesting lines as sire is a black frame:

Unfortunately he is ginger and no frame gene:

As he is highly coloured (big white face), legs and belly spot, is there any chance he will pass this on or the frame gene could creep back in?

Excuse his condition in the photo, he has now doubled in size!

 

[s4sugar]

DNA testing is cheap.

 

[flyingfeet]

See above photo - tested for frame and no frame. The lab thought it was weird given his colouring!

My question is more what happens when you cross what looks like a minimal frame overo, but isn't?

 

[Enfys]

So I was looking for a small TB for my mare, and ended up buying a stallion, who is a sweetie and main job will be to work not stud!

However he has interesting lines as sire is a black frame:

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Ah, I recognise that photo Racey Remarque, a member of one of the few overo thoroughbred families. He died quite a while ago now though didn't he?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

As he is negative for Frame, he cannot pass it on to any foals that he sires. You could breed him with a mare that has a Frame gene and she would have a 50% chance of passing it on to her foals.

As being homozygous for Frame is fatal, it's impossible to get a 100% chance of breeding a foal with Frame. Breeding two heterozygous Frame horses together is not wise due to the chance of breeding a foal with two copies that will die shortly after birth.

His belly spot could be caused by Sabino or Splash white.

 

[lillith]

Just read already tested...no need for lethal white risk rant then .

If he is not frame then he cannot pass on frame but he could well pass on something interesting from whatever other white genes he might be carrying, likely sabino or splash.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

What lethal white rant?

 

[Truly]

What's his name Flyingfeet?
I was unaware any non Frame stallions from Colorworld stallions had been imported.

 

[angrovestud]

SPOT ON REMARQUE

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/stallion_39810.html
Leigh hes been here around 5 years his ex owner was trying to sell him to me four years ago he does not carry Frame from what I gather he is liky a W20 or W5

 

[Enfys]

What are W20 and W5 please? Thank you

 

[angrovestud]

They are new genes white ones the W20 makes colours of any kind louder and the tell tale markers on a horses body are what use to be called sabino very common indeed in a lot of breeds a very useful gene LOL