Another KWPN query

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I have a 3yr old colt, KWPN Reg B, and have been told that I can get covering certificates from the KWPN for him.
These have to be sent filled in back to the KWPN to register the covering, for a fee I'm assuming, and then paperwork is issued in order to register the resulting foal, Reg B, of course.

I'm getting a bit muddled but am I right? Who pays for registering the covering....mare or stallion owner?
Any coverings I've done before have never had to be registered with other societies.
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Any knowledgeable peeps out there that can unconfuse me, please?
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The mare owner definately receives an invoice (about Xmas time) for the registration of the covering. I don't know if the stallion owner get an invoice too or not but I'd guess not. Once the mare owner pays this invoice, they get sent all the registration paperwork to fill on when the foal is born.
 
Thanks for your reply.
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So, as the stallion owner, I send the form back to the KWPN, or would I give it to the mare owner to do?
Sorry if it's a numpty question but need to know that I've got it right!
Again though, unless I'm missing something vital, it seems an expensive registration for your foal?
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I think it depends if the mare owner wants to register the foal with the KWPN.

I DO want my foals registered with the KWPN so I send a copy of my mare's registration paper to the stallion owner, they then notify the KWPN of the covering and the KWPN then sends me an invoice for the registration of the covering. I pay that then get all the paperwork I need to register the foal with them. I don't get any covering certificate from the stallion owner - just an invoice for the stud fee!
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I didnt want KWPN B papers for my foals, so when I've had my Trakehner mares covered by Ringo, I had to write to the KWPN explaining I didnt want to regsiter with them. Too expensive and I'd rather support a British registry so they are all registered as part bred Trakehners

But yes they normally send you the mare owner an invoice after the stallion owner has sent in the covering returns
 
Once the KWPN have received DNA from your colt you can apply for a number of covering certificates from them by reporting the number of mares covered. They will issue you with a form for non approved stallions, for each mare covered, to be completed by yourself which are to be returned to KWPN.

The KWPN will then issue the mare owner directly with the covering certificate and an invoice which they can use to register the foal once its born.

However with that said the KWPN will also accept covering certificates from the studbook with which the stallion is graded or self certified covering certifcates.

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And does this apply to any mare, of whatever breeding? (Trying not to get confused by the other KWPN thread!)

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Yes as your colt is KWPN, if he wasn't KWPN then the mare herself would have to be a KWPN mare or a mare registered with a recognised studbook.
 
Ok, so the covering cert sent by the KWPN to the mare owner can be used to reg the covering with the KWPN or to register the foal with another society if the mare owner prefers.
Presuming my colt was DNA'd to be registered as a foal, does he have to be done again before the forms will be sent by the KWPN or can I just apply? I presume that I need to join as a member?
Are self certified covering certificates what they sound and where do you get them from?

Sorry for all the questions but it does seems to be a minefield and you lot are so helpful.
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Ok, so the covering cert sent by the KWPN to the mare owner can be used to reg the covering with the KWPN or to register the foal with another society if the mare owner prefers.

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I would think so and each studbook will decide which book the foals are to be registered depending on his stallion status at the time.

They may still want another sample of his DNA now to verify that it matches the records that they have for him then again they may not as technically that will show when the foals are registered.

Sorry forgot to answer your last question, yes self certified certificates are just that, a document stating that you the stallion owner confirm that the mare was covered by your stallion signed by yourself. You can include the vet/AI technicians details and have them sign it as well if you want.

These can also be purchased in booklets, like a receipt book with a carbon copy for your own records. A colleague sent me a copy with the publishers details but will need to dig it out as can't remember who they are.


Do you have any bambinos due for next year?
 
When you have a non approved ( with any studbook ) stallion with KWPN papers you have to use a so called DIO form to report a covering. Once the covering is registered and payed the owner will receive a birth report certificat. If you have an approved stallion by the KWPN your foal will not be tested DNA, only some hairs are being pulled. With a non graded stallion a DNA sample is always taken and a test performed.
 
Thanks again for all the advice.
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Opie, no, no babies due. I have had a few enquiries from interested people who have seen him out and about. I am very much a one man band and have no plans to stand him at stud to make a fortune, ha ha, as his first job is to be my dressage horse. After that, if people want to use him, then it would be a shame for them not to be able to but as he is not yet graded with anyone I wanted to know my options.
I'm sure I'd read somewhere that if a stallion is not graded then any offspring's passport will state unverified parentage on the sire's side. Now it seems as if that is not necessarilly the case and that there are a few possible options which I need to explore.

Once again, thanks for your input and if anyone has anything else to add, I'd be grateful for any info.
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well do keep us posted, I think he will look quite the part in the dressage arena
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It is very much a myth that non graded stallions can only have their progeny with no parentage recorded, I can't vouch for all of the studbooks in the UK but certainly with the SSH his progeny would receive full breeding papers with verified parentage recorded if the mare sire and foal have their DNA recorded. They would only be registered in the foundation studbook but if at once stage he did go forwards for grading and was successful his babies can move up with him
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