Another one - horse pulling same shoe off - ideas please!

[emfen1305]

I posted a little while ago worried that when my horse started going back out after box rest he would pull his shoes off, and lo and behold, less than 24 hours after going on, the right one is off! I don't want to go into all of the backstory about why he needs to be shod, it has happened with multiple farriers and his foot doesn't show any signs of being weak. I would really appreciate ideas on how I can keep it on! It is only ever the right foot, i don't think over reaching is the problem but could be, i think it is a combination of pawing the ground when he is playing and then standing on his foot and twisting in the deep divots in the field so I am looking for options! He has overreach boots on already. I have narrowed it down to 3:

1) Put him in a boot for turn out to protect the hoof and shoe - I am specifically thinking about the woof wear medical boot, not what it is designed for but a cheap and cheerful option to try. I thought about cavallos or something similar but they are expensive if they go missing!

2) Bigger overreach boots with a sausage boot/brushing boot to stop them from riding up. I have already tried multiple overreach boots brands but no luck!

3) As above plus tape. I am not sure on how this would work, I was planning on buying gorilla tape and asking my farrier to show me the best way to stick it on! Probably some sort of poultice style..

Have I missed anything? Currently contemplating tethering him on a 20m radius so at least I can find the bleeding thing when it does come off!

 

[ester]

I think a shoe will go through the WW very quickly!

option two might be worth a try, a friend seems to have had good success with duck tape, Im never sure how

shoe secures? Though not without their issues I don't think.

 

[emfen1305]

I think a shoe will go through the WW very quickly!

option two might be worth a try, a friend seems to have had good success with duck tape, Im never sure how

shoe secures? Though not without their issues I don't think.

Agh thats what I thought, well actually, I didn't mention option 4 which to combine all of them, so tape the shoe in some vain attempt to pad it slightly then in the boot and then add an overreach boot just in case he is overreaching! The hind shoes have made an almost instant difference in the way he stands so I am reluctant to give up so quickly! A friend at the yard kept hers on with tape so massively kicking myself that I didn't do it this morning, rehab plan scuppered before we even got started!

 

[Dubsie]

Sedate slightly for the first couple of times out so it's not quite as exciting?
Take out only when hungry so the grass is more tempting than running about?
http://www.shoesecure.com/ ?

 

[Spottyappy]

Restrict the area he has. I have no idea what issues he’s had, or if specialist shod, but if it’s vital to his wellbeing he is shod, and shoes won’t stay on, then reduce what hes turned out on. This is vital for bar type shoes, but also with horses like thus. Turn out alone too, if possible.

 

[merlinsquest]

I used a cavallo simple boot over a bar shoe with great success for a few months till back in a normal shoe.

 

[Seville]

Google "shoe secures". I used these on my tb before he retired. Your farrier will make the holes in the polymer shield. They fix to the shoes with flat screw in studs. Careful not to cross thread or you will lose them. The woman who developed them is incredibly helpful but best of all, they work. The shoes won't come off.

 

[emfen1305]

Thanks all for the suggestions!

Re the turnout area - we can't reduce much more, we have sectioned half the field so he can't go legging it up and down and he's out with two old codgers more interested in their hayboxes than running around with him! The shoe secure is something I am going to look into again, I asked my farrier the first time he started pulling them and he wasn't overly keen but to be honest, it is more important that he keeps them on at the moment! He only does it in winter so can only assume its the mud and the fact his feet go softer and unfortunately I can't avoid the mud where we are! Thanks all!

 

[Shay]

Another vote for shoe secure. They can be a faff to put on / take off but they absolutely work. I'm not sure I would use them if the ground was rock hard as they would impact foot balance (and you cannot ride with them on) but in soft ground like now they are a complete blessing. A sausage boot can work well too - but that depends on exactly how he is managing to do this. Shoe secures work regardless of how he does it!

 

[Nari]

As well as big overreach boots I used to but a couple of layers of vet wrap around the edge of of the shoe followed by a few layers of gaffa tape. I put it round the rim of the shoe rather than like a poultice & made sure the heels of the shoe were very well covered, the vet wrap first meant it didn't irritate his skin or pull at hair when I took it off. At times it felt like I spent longer getting him ready to go out than he actually spent out! I do wonder if a touch of sedalin would help, and leave him out as long as you're allowed so he doesn't find it so exciting.

 

[Seville]

My ex farrier also said shoe secures affected the horses tendons, balance, you name it. They have been tested with bio mechanics, have veterinary accreditation, and are guaranteed not to affect tendons. The polymer shells gives when walked on, so no frog or heel damage. If you email the lovely lady who owns the company she will explain. Yes they are a faff but once you've done it a few times its easy. I sat on a small stool to put them on,,,easier on the back!

 

[emfen1305]

I am definitely going to look into shoe secure, i thought it was just for over reaching but if they work on sucky mud and side stepping then even better. I don't know for sure how he is managing it but I don't think he is over reaching as he doesn't do it out long reining but I suppose he could be getting a bit stuck in the mud and not getting his front foot out of the way quick enough. He has come in with 3 shoes on today so at least he hasn't pulled the left one!

I have bought the woofwear medical boot, tired it on the left shod foot and it was a squeeze but it did zip up. Popped it on the right foot so I could long rein him and he didn't seem fussed so hoping with some vet wrap, tape, boot and massive over reach boot, I might just have a chance of surviving the mud! I do know what you mean Nari, I am not looking forward to wrestling with this boot at 7am every morning before work!

He has actually been a poppet, today he just went out and straight over the hay boxes, he is not one for legging it around the field so feels like sedalin might be a bit of an overkill for him! When he does play, they most stand on the top of the hill trying to nip each other rather than run around so I am hoping the boot might stay on! At least it was fairly inexpensive if it does come off!

 

[Charlie007]

I used shoesecure and they were brilliant!

 

[emfen1305]

Right, definitely looking into getting some shoe secures, silly question but I'm assuming that I need shoes with stud holes? I'll ask him to fit them on our next shoeing as pretty sure I will only have normal ones. Do you think they will be ok in quite deep mud? It's not that it's actually that muddy but the walk up to the flat bit is quite divoty (is that a word?) - are they likely to stay on?

 

[Seville]

Yes you will need shoes with stud holes but your farrier will sort that. He will need the polymer shell and the shoe, so he can position the holes in both shoe and shell. The holes may be in a slightly different position to that of riding studs. The shell won't rub the heel so don't worry. You need to measure your horses foot, see shoe secure site for the correct place for that. They aren't too expensive, but you onlybuy them once, as they last. Very important, get your farrier to burn an identifying mark onto either near or off secure. There IS a difference left and right. If you lose a stud they are £10 a pair to replace, so threads need to be good. Again, down to your farrier. Mine was so against them he deliberately made it difficult to use them. I got a new farrier, super guy, who thought they were brilliant as they stopped the possible jerk and strain on joints of a pulled shoe. He was fussy about the threads and just made it all so easy! Clean the studs every day, and dip the thread in Vaseline daily. P!ug stud holes at night with Vaseline and cotton wool. Don't stand your horse in the stable in them and don't ride in them. They are brilliant, and you won't ever worry about shoe loss again.

 

[emfen1305]

Yes you will need shoes with stud holes but your farrier will sort that. He will need the polymer shell and the shoe, so he can position the holes in both shoe and shell. The holes may be in a slightly different position to that of riding studs. The shell won't rub the heel so don't worry. You need to measure your horses foot, see shoe secure site for the correct place for that. They aren't too expensive, but you onlybuy them once, as they last. Very important, get your farrier to burn an identifying mark onto either near or off secure. There IS a difference left and right. If you lose a stud they are £10 a pair to replace, so threads need to be good. Again, down to your farrier. Mine was so against them he deliberately made it difficult to use them. I got a new farrier, super guy, who thought they were brilliant as they stopped the possible jerk and strain on joints of a pulled shoe. He was fussy about the threads and just made it all so easy! Clean the studs every day, and dip the thread in Vaseline daily. P!ug stud holes at night with Vaseline and cotton wool. Don't stand your horse in the stable in them and don't ride in them. They are brilliant, and you won't ever worry about shoe loss again.

Fantastic, thank you so much for your detailed reply! I don't think I'll get them in time for this shoeing as he is back tomorrow to put the lost one back on but i'll speak to him about it tomorrow and make sure they are ready for next time (though that could likely be next week at the rate he's going!) I think he was initially against as the thought they were a bit of a fad but even he was shocked at his ability to lose it in less than 24 hours so I think he will be a bit more open minded now! I am just worried what I will do if I go away overnight and my friends look after him, are they OK to be left on very occasionally if he's on a deep bed of shavings? If not I'll make sure I show a couple of them how to do it

 

[Charlie007]

Once you get used to putting them on it only takes a few minutes. I left my horses on a few times over night in the stable and he was fine. I just checked the tightness of the screws before turning out again.

 

[Seville]

Once you get used to putting them on it only takes a few minutes. I left my horses on a few times over night in the stable and he was fine. I just checked the tightness of the screws before turning out again.

I agree with Charlie007, a one off won't hurt, just check studs in the morning.
Once you are used to them you will be so glad you did. It also removes the risk of the tremendous strain on a joints when a shoe is pulled off. Both mine are now barefoot, tb retired, and a pre with feet like iron!

 

[GTRJazz]

The rubber type over reach boots are too thin my horse used to loose shoes all the time then I spent a bit more on these https://www.pampeano.co.uk/polo-equ...MIpsWPyaiw2QIV5p3tCh3OrQX7EAQYAyABEgKS8fD_BwE
problem solved

 

[maevebrindley]

how long do you think they will last with a mare living out 24/7?

 

[Pinkvboots]

This thread is 3 years old you might not get many replies might be best to start a new one.