bonny
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Shows the power of social media nowadays !
Another reason to boycott Baileys...
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Dyllymoo
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Brilliant news. Probably slightly to do with the fact they are at YHL this weekend and didn't want to face lots of angry people face to face, but nevertheless, at least they have done it.
Who are her other sponsors just out of interest?
Who are her other sponsors just out of interest?
Asha
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I remember one year putting large bale of haylage out in the field for them when the grass was sparse. I had IDs in one field and WB in another. It took the IDs 2 days to polish it off, and 5 days for the WBs. The IDs looked like balloons. I watched them, the IDs literally didn't move, and stood with there heads in the bale until it had gone . The WBs took 24 hrs to actually get near it, as it was clearly a horse eating bale. Ive never made that mistake again. I find out at night and in during the day, (even across winter ) the best way to keep the girths trim, and plenty of work. Its a fine balance though, as I don't like them hungry, they can bring 'hangry' to an all new level.
milliepops
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her website lists some others
https://www.topcobs.com/sponsors.html
she tags eqclusive on FB too but they don't have her listed on their website.
pistolpete
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Awesome!
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Goldenstar
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They do get hangry.
I tried to keep Fatty out last winter with a warm blood with a bale of hay .
They where shut away from it during the day .
fatty would just stand and eat down until his head disappeared into the bale completely he had no rug it’s a cold field he just got bigger and bigger .
AandK
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Really sad, but also sadly not surprised to read about this and see that there are still people about who think tying a horses head down is going to do them any good at all.
I actually got my mare (who I sadly lost on Tues aged 29) from Lynn Russell but that was almost 23yrs ago and I was very novice and naive back then. I’m glad Baileys have withdrawn their sponsorship.
I actually got my mare (who I sadly lost on Tues aged 29) from Lynn Russell but that was almost 23yrs ago and I was very novice and naive back then. I’m glad Baileys have withdrawn their sponsorship.
Dyllymoo
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Fab, I've sent an email to them all and hopefully they will follow suit.
Asha
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That's just like my old girl Asha. Shes out rugless with the foals and a 2yo now and they are keeping her active which is helping. But retired IDs are the hardest to keep weight off. I feel your pain !
Dyllymoo
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This has made me giggle.... I've emailed them all so we shall see. Snuggy Hoods are and that's it.
be positive
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Baileys have sponsored her for years, possibly from when she first started as a full time producer, to stop now is a really proving the power and influence of social media, it will be a shock for her even if it doesn't hit her directly in the pocket it will be noticed by any potential or current clients and may prove tricky for her to answer why they pulled out.
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Dyllymoo
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Horsequest have responded:
Dear xxx
Thank you for your recent email.
This has only just been brought to our attention via social media, so we have passed the details onto the sponsorship department to review in full.
Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us, it's greatly appreciated.
At least they have responded and are looking in to it
Dear xxx
Thank you for your recent email.
This has only just been brought to our attention via social media, so we have passed the details onto the sponsorship department to review in full.
Thank you once again for taking the time to contact us, it's greatly appreciated.
At least they have responded and are looking in to it
FlyingCircus
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This is an interesting read....
https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/showing-producer-lynn-russell-social-media-645185
https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/showing-producer-lynn-russell-social-media-645185
bonny
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You would think she would have known better than using the video she did ?
SlinkyMinxy
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Utterly depressing that there are STILL people defending LR!
One of the posts on the Baileys FB page says it's OK, because the cob was wearing clean tack!!!!
One of the posts on the Baileys FB page says it's OK, because the cob was wearing clean tack!!!!
Ddraig_wen
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Baileys have withdrawn their sponsorship with immediate effect I read on a facebook status some people saying it was too harsh a reaction
milliepops
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this. posting that video on SM and expecting to just collect likes is naive in the extreme.
FlyingCircus
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Suspect you start to feel invincible at a point. Especially when people made a stir about her ID and she managed to just brush it under the carpet and carry on.
Dyllymoo
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This is what is worrying and what I don't think people who are defending her understand. That she thought it was fine to post makes me shudder.
milliepops
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just spotted that. ExtraordinaryUtterly depressing that there are STILL people defending LR!
One of the posts on the Baileys FB page says it's OK, because the cob was wearing clean tack!!!!
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
To her it wouldn’t have been naive, as because her routine practices are so off compared to what is correct it would just be standard procedure at her yard.
PapaverFollis
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Oh my goodness, that just made me die laughing. I don't have any official recorded breeding for The Beast but having read that I'm now 99% sure she's 100% ID! 😂 Previous yard owner said he's never had a horse on the yard that would eat so much, so quickly. Oh and the HANGRY issues! 😂
And a "well done" for Baileys.
TPO
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This is going to be a really rubbish analogy because I can't remember the name of the film but bear with me...
So there is a famous film about a political candidate running for President; his slogan is "Change". He gets into office and turns to say "now what?"
First of all let me make it explicitly clear that I do not agree with the methods shown in the video clip nor do I agree with the cruel practices that some horses trainers/owners use.
The saddest part, excluding the impact on equine welfare, is that someone 1) tied the horse down like that 2) filmed it 3) posted it on SM and 4) thought that it was ok. Given by the number of supportive comments and excusing of that "method"/equipment used they are not alone in their way of thinking and "training".
Bailey's have ended the sponsorship of LR; regardless of their reasons why that is to be commended. In this age of SM no one holds a thought for long and if Baileys had sat tight I'm sure that this would have blown over within a week.
Let's say that the remaining sponsors also cease their contracts with LR, owners take their horse's away from LR and no one sends any more to her, then what?
The campaign worked but (tedious link back to film in second sentence) what has actually changed?
Does anyone think that losing sponsors/money/owners will actually make LR rethink her whole take on horsemanship and start putting horse's first over being successful in the show ring? If I was a betting man I'd bet that in the coming week's LR's social meeting will be full of "happy" horse pictures and videos of horse's being ridden/schooled/trained without gadgets and possibly some "I love horses" type posts thrown in too. I'd imagine a yard ban on phones/pictures/videos and tighter controls of who has access to their Social Media. Those that disagree with LR's "successful" training methods will be those tree hugging fluffy bunnies that's can't ride one side of a rocking horse let alone produce champions so on and so forth...
To me the real crux is how to get to the core of it. How do you stop people seeing horses (animals) as commodities and treating them badly? I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think that this episode with have LR looking within herself for the reasons why and instead will blame the keyboard warriors for blowing something out of proportion.
There are a lot of people, an ex-YO of mine included, who reckon that because there is worse that could happen to a horse things like this don't matter. At the previous yard there were owners who didn't see to their horses, didn't provide clean water, fed 1 section of hay for 16hrs+ of standing in, rode lame horses, had very ill fitting tack, sore horses, unfit horses doing things that they weren't physically capable of, etc etc and YOs rebuttal was always that "it's not like they are like the abused horse's in Egypt". The response by supporters of LR have been along similar lines in that these horse's receive the best of care and feed so is a short time in overtight side reins (& any other unacceptable method that is used to train animals) really that bad?
Then, being the devil's avocado, what if LR is abandoned by everyone and loses her livelihood (I personally think that this is very unlikely)? That could have a very devastating impact on an individual and I'm sure that no one would want that to happen. This immediate (cyber) world that we live has it's benefits but it also can have devastating consequences.
I guess my point is (eventually getting there) what now? So a sponsor or two drops someone using bad practices to compete horses; what does that actually change? How do you stop people doing things like this to horses and re-educate them?
I do think it's right that people speak up when they see something wrong happening and especially when the victim does not have a voice of their own.
So there is a famous film about a political candidate running for President; his slogan is "Change". He gets into office and turns to say "now what?"
First of all let me make it explicitly clear that I do not agree with the methods shown in the video clip nor do I agree with the cruel practices that some horses trainers/owners use.
The saddest part, excluding the impact on equine welfare, is that someone 1) tied the horse down like that 2) filmed it 3) posted it on SM and 4) thought that it was ok. Given by the number of supportive comments and excusing of that "method"/equipment used they are not alone in their way of thinking and "training".
Bailey's have ended the sponsorship of LR; regardless of their reasons why that is to be commended. In this age of SM no one holds a thought for long and if Baileys had sat tight I'm sure that this would have blown over within a week.
Let's say that the remaining sponsors also cease their contracts with LR, owners take their horse's away from LR and no one sends any more to her, then what?
The campaign worked but (tedious link back to film in second sentence) what has actually changed?
Does anyone think that losing sponsors/money/owners will actually make LR rethink her whole take on horsemanship and start putting horse's first over being successful in the show ring? If I was a betting man I'd bet that in the coming week's LR's social meeting will be full of "happy" horse pictures and videos of horse's being ridden/schooled/trained without gadgets and possibly some "I love horses" type posts thrown in too. I'd imagine a yard ban on phones/pictures/videos and tighter controls of who has access to their Social Media. Those that disagree with LR's "successful" training methods will be those tree hugging fluffy bunnies that's can't ride one side of a rocking horse let alone produce champions so on and so forth...
To me the real crux is how to get to the core of it. How do you stop people seeing horses (animals) as commodities and treating them badly? I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think that this episode with have LR looking within herself for the reasons why and instead will blame the keyboard warriors for blowing something out of proportion.
There are a lot of people, an ex-YO of mine included, who reckon that because there is worse that could happen to a horse things like this don't matter. At the previous yard there were owners who didn't see to their horses, didn't provide clean water, fed 1 section of hay for 16hrs+ of standing in, rode lame horses, had very ill fitting tack, sore horses, unfit horses doing things that they weren't physically capable of, etc etc and YOs rebuttal was always that "it's not like they are like the abused horse's in Egypt". The response by supporters of LR have been along similar lines in that these horse's receive the best of care and feed so is a short time in overtight side reins (& any other unacceptable method that is used to train animals) really that bad?
Then, being the devil's avocado, what if LR is abandoned by everyone and loses her livelihood (I personally think that this is very unlikely)? That could have a very devastating impact on an individual and I'm sure that no one would want that to happen. This immediate (cyber) world that we live has it's benefits but it also can have devastating consequences.
I guess my point is (eventually getting there) what now? So a sponsor or two drops someone using bad practices to compete horses; what does that actually change? How do you stop people doing things like this to horses and re-educate them?
I do think it's right that people speak up when they see something wrong happening and especially when the victim does not have a voice of their own.
lar
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Leahurst did that our local show this season.
Clodagh
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Utterly depressing that there are STILL people defending LR!
One of the posts on the Baileys FB page says it's OK, because the cob was wearing clean tack!!!!
Well of course, you wouldn't want to ruin a young horse in grubby stuff, would you!?
If nothing else, having to pay to make those wobbly lumps of lard that stagger round the ring under her is going to cost her a pretty penny.
Tarragon
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I have been following this thread and I just wanted to say how impressed I am that the power of Social Media has been put to such good use!
milliepops
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agree wholeheartedly with your post TPO and while we can all say the judges should stop placing the fat horses, policing what goes on, training-wise behind closed doors will always be impossible, and I am not sure how you effect positive change there. it's a bit like how dressage stewards are supposed to call out people rollkurring in the warm up, but no one can do the same at their home yards.
Goldenstar
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Simple answer you can’t .
Dyllymoo
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I understand your point, but I think it has to start somewhere. If it gets a few of the people who initially stuck up for her, or who still are or maybe have done in the past to rethink their own ways of doing things surely that's a good thing. Or maybe new owners or youngsters who are looking for people to look up to.
Its never going to completely wipe anything like this out (unfortunately) but its more about education. That that ISNT the right way to treat a horse and that it doesn't matte if you have sponsors or not, it shouldn't be the way you do things.