anti fight sprays - any advice

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there are 2 large uncontrolled dogs (both muzzled), in the village who belong to the same owner. I don't think the dogs are inherently bad, but the owner is ******* hopeless.

Both the dogs have police/dog warden records
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the owner has a serious case of denial.

their party trick is to pin down bitches. bearing in mind the smaller of the 2 is about 30kg, and the larger is at least high 30ies if not 40kg, I'm not terribly amused when this happens to my 23kg bitch. I saw the larger one pin down a cavalier spaniel (on a lead) this morning. They don't bother with my dog, but my bitch has been pinned down on and off the lead. Their owner also had to drag her bitch off our garden gate when it tried getting though it one day

the advice from the dog warden is to try to walk at a different time or place. unfortunately their owner varies her time, and always walks on the footpath behind our house that is our link to the local footpath network. The road to the front of us does not have a pavement. Drivers usually slow for my horses, but don't bother for pedestrians. I assume she walks here as it is the only route that allows her dogs to get home without crossing a busy road when she looses them.

I know that various sprays are available on the market, but a little reticent as I understand that some make dogs even more aggressive. Has anyone used a spray successfully?

any ideas very welcome
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I suggest you buy yourself a stout walking stick and give the dogs a good whack if they come near your dog.
 
I had wondered about an electric cattle prod!!!

Seriously though, the last time it happened they both got a good kicking and it made no difference. the fact they are both wearing muzzles appears to get the owner off the hook when they are on the path. Dog warden was ready to pounce if dogs try to get into our garden again.

Don't spose anyone has a homicidal terrier in need of a country break - only kidding
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^^^ What she said, or just use your voice/sharp noise. No experience with sprays, couldn't you just use a garden sprayer filled with water, or a water pistol?


Why are they allowed off the lead? Oh I know, she probably can't hold them.
 
Tried the voice - didn't work.

When i suggested to owner that they should be on a lead, she became very abusive. as we our outside of the village we are beyond the designated zone where dogs are supposed to be on a lead. but you are right, I doubt if she could hold them if needed.

I'm wondering about carrying some tetramyecin spray. non toxic, and her dogs will go home a nice shade of blue
 
kind of puts you off walking your dogs dont it... thats shocking that she cant control her dogs.. if shes having that much bother why dont she walk them one at a time or keep them or a lead.. bit worrying that they have muzzles on must mean that they might do something or she thinks they might do something so someone elses dog! just wait till some poor old woman is out with her wee tiny dog!! not much advice for you tho, sorry... dogs are only as good as their owners and she sounds like shes a waste o time..
 
That's a good point about walking them one at a time - could you suggest that to her or would that involve more abuse? Maybe go through the Dog Warden (who should be cracking down as they obviously are not under control off lead)

I walk mine seperately most days, they are brother and sister and wind each other up - alone, they are like different dogs.
 
Dogs should always be "under control" in a public place, they clearly aren't so the Dog warden should be firmer with her. I carry a rape alarm and set it off if there's any trouble. The noise is awful but loud enough to shock the dogs and give you a chance to get yours away/boot them off!
 
Thank you for all the ideas.

I'm going to have a go with an alarm - hopefully it will embarass the woman enough to make her think a little.

Unfortunately, both of the dogs are muzzled due to previous behaviour. the bitch was the subject of a vets bill being taken to court, and the dog has a police record for stock chasing. But dog warden says that muzzling effectively means they can do no harm and are under control. being outside of the village, we are not covered by the local dog by laws regarding leads.

when i phoned the dog warden i was unaware that this was happening to other owners as well, but will enlighten the warden if i have to report any other incidents

As for being worried about walking, well i do a quick reccy out of the garden gate before the dogs follow!
 
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Unfortunately, both of the dogs are muzzled due to previous behaviour. the bitch was the subject of a vets bill being taken to court, and the dog has a police record for stock chasing. But dog warden says that muzzling effectively means they can do no harm and are under control. being outside of the village, we are not covered by the local dog by laws regarding leads.

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!!! As a big dog owner, this woman sounds like my worst nightmare, giving probably what could have been lovely animals a bad name. And I am sorry to say, I have seen dogs do damage even when muzzled.
These dogs will probably end up getting destroyed (if they lived where I live, they would be long gone, one way or the other, probably by shotgun) and it will be nobody's fault but hers.
Poor dogs.
 
I have deliberately not mentioned the breeds as I use to have a very large GSD who was an absolute sweety.

lost count the amount of times I was asked"is he alright?" when he was off the lead and our fear aggressive labrador had been put on the lead as soon as we saw another dog. we use to smile and advise that we were hanging on to the scary one!

As for the eventual fate, I think you may well be right. we live in the middle of a shoot, and one of the local farmers used to be a sales rep for a gun manufacturer. it doesn't bode well
 
tbh i went to the dog warden as i thought it was fundamentally a clash between our 2 bitches.

now i'm aware that that the problem is more widespread, the police may well be my next step.

the larger dog particularly, would be an absolute cracker in different hands/with more training. so really i would like to see the owner pressurised into more training/walking separately/keeping dog son lead. it would be great if she could move as well
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Have you spoken to the RSPCA? They may also be able to advise?

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen... And how can the dog warden say that a muzzle stops them from being a danger? At the very least they could cause a road accident by the sound of it, never mind knocking somone down or chasing stock and causing an accident that way!
 
given the pressure the RSPCA is probably under at present, I've got a feeling they will refer me to the police or warden.

but i am going to contact the shelter we got our bitch. they are gsd specialists and rehome a number of large breeds (is mastiffs etc.). hopefully they can also give some advice on what to do when things go haywire

I'm quite sure the dog warden would have visited this woman (as she has done before when the bitch had its court case) if I had been aware that we are not the only victims.

most unbelievably, she doesn't even apologise when this happens
 
its terrible really when you cant walk your own dogs for the fear of other peoples.. I have 3 big dogs and they are all under control and not allowed to act like that or scare the s**t out of anyone or their dogs! GSD's are fantastic dogs, i love them. Sounds like if shes walking them both together they are winding each other up and this too might be part of the problem and the other part is the stupid owner!? Poor dogs eh.
 
I carry something called Pet Corrector spray and I have found it invaluable. My dog appears to attract the hooligans and is a complete wet lettuce so I have to protect him. It basically just sounds like an air horn and shocks the attackers enough for you to get your dog away.

I have found it invaluable; we had a staffy x attack us one day on the road. It kept going for my lads throat so I hit the corrector spray and it legged it but then came back so I did it again for longer and it legged it again and this time it stayed away long enough for me to go ballistic at the very unconcerned owner!
 
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