Any alternative to micronised linseed?

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My boy is starting to go off the linseed. Ideally i would be giving him 1 mug per feed (brekkie & dinner) but any more than half a cup per feed and he won't eat it now!

We are starting to get fit for the eventing season and so i need something that will provide energy & keep his weight on (he is perfect weight at moment).

I feed it along with (per feed) 250g speedi beet, 250g TS balancer & 1kg TS cool condition cubes.

He is barefoot so i do need something low in sugar & starch (no more than 15% combined).

I know i could try oil... which is best though?

Any other options?
 
I feed about half that amount, but I thought it was palatable, is is mixed in, if so are you sure that it is the ML that he dislikes,
Have you tried whole oats, high in fibre and every horse loves them? Even if you feed only 250gms per feed it might increase palatability, I am no expert but there are some [possibly rather wooly] anecdotes on here.
http://www.thehorseshoof.com/oats1.html
Try emailing Equimins for advice, they sell a lot of ML and are nutritionists.
Is he on ad lib good hay or haylage, with a lot of work there is no margin for error feeding any marginally nutritious feed, as you already know [sorry]
 
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Yep, its definitely the ML. He licks the bowl clean without it!

I did feed him oats for a while before and he devoured them! but.. he always looked a bit bloated and a couple of times he did seem a little colicy so i took him off them. I guess he wasn't digesting them properly.
 
I wonder if theres something different about the linseed at the moment? There was another poster saying her(?) horse wasnt eating it either after having it all its life.

How about Outshine?
 
for a large horse, i thought 1 mug per day of ML was the recommended quantity...but i'm sure there are much more knowledgeable peeps on here who will be able to advise on quants.

I included 1 mug of ML and a about 75ml veg oil in my horses feed per day.
 
When i origionally spoke to Charnwood they said (depending on individual horse of course) they can recommend feeding up to 400g per day, but usually 200g is enough for most horses.
My mug equals 175g.

Puppy - where do you get the mint from/what form is it in?
 
I happened to have some NAF mint powder in the feedroom that I'd bought for my veteran so I just used that, but there's quite a few brands that make it.

ie - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280735017...WAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_836wt_951

Otherwise you could see if he'll eat outshine which is high in linseed (and soya oil). I used to feed outshine and switched to ML as it seemed more cost effective, but the Outshine does seem more palatable to many horses.
 
I vary between mint (just normal dried), fenugreek and anniseed (both from the spice man on the market) with my horses feed. This is to make their feed (fast fibre & linseed) more palatable as I am also adding various minerals and prascend to the food. Really recommend you try fenugreek, they seem to love a sprinkle on their feed!!
 
Outshine isn' very palatable in my experience, they seem to hate it! And as an added bonus it made mine footy when I eventually got him to eat it, that and the fact it is genetically modified means I won't ever be forking out nearly £40 for a bag of that again!
 
Sults said:
My boy is starting to go off the linseed. Ideally i would be giving him 1 mug per feed (brekkie & dinner) but any more than half a cup per feed and he won't eat it now!

We are starting to get fit for the eventing season and so i need something that will provide energy & keep his weight on (he is perfect weight at moment).

I feed it along with (per feed) 250g speedi beet, 250g TS balancer & 1kg TS cool condition cubes.

He is barefoot so i do need something low in sugar & starch (no more than 15% combined).

I know i could try oil... which is best though?

Any other options?
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I think Outshine will be too high in Starch (18%) - you could get rid of the ML & TS Balancer and replace with Thunderbrook Base Mix (3% Sugar, 11% Starch) which would work out cheaper but give you a similar feed and the horses seem to absolutely love it! Mine lick their bowls clean :D
 
Does the base mix give them energy & keep weight on? though not sure i want to take him off the balancer as i did have him on the pink powder for 5 months last summer and he didn't look as good.

I need something that i can incease once the eventing season starts and his work increases. He is a very laid back boy and some more oomph would be most welcome!
 
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Does the base mix give them energy & keep weight on? though not sure i want to take him off the balancer as i did have him on the pink powder for 5 months last summer and he didn't look as good.

I need something that i can incease once the eventing season starts and his work increases. He is a very laid back boy and some more oomph would be most welcome!
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Best to google Thunderbrook and give them a call - they do sells Oats and something called Condition & Compete, but the Base Mix should be comparable to the TS!

Here is what they say about it - I guess you would either keep the TS Nuts or change to Oats or Rice Bran as they suggest:

Equine Pure Essentials Base Mix is a concentrated balanced feed, suitable for all horses, all disciplines. Contains the essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, nucleic acids, natural vitamins, minerals, in excess of 100 anti-oxidants, metabolic cofactors and other micro-nutrients in a form both bio-available and clean. No fillers, binders, pelleting agents, preservatives, or chemically synthesised micro-nutrients are included in this ration. All ingredients have been carefully sourced to avoid pesticide, herbicide and other chemical treatments, preservatives, mould inhibitors, etc wherever possible. All ingredients have been carefully processed to
minimise denaturation of the essential macro and micro-nutrients. Contains no wheat, wheatfeed, oatfeed, chemically treated straw, soya, legumes, sugar beet, molasses, alfalfa, soya oil, corn oil, mixed source vegetable oil or waste by-products from human food milling and production. Superior ratio of beneficial omega- 3 polyunsaturates. A high oil, high protein, extremely low sugar and starch feed (hence low glycemic response) with added prebiotics, probiotics, fruits, herbs and botanicals in generous amounts, providing functional foods to nutritionally support a healthy gut environment, metabolism and immune system. Best fed alongside Mature Organic Oats, Pure Grass Chaff and one of our range of Gut-Balancers (see website for details).

It contains:
Ingredients: Stabilised and ground whole linseed, naturally stabilised rice bran, natural fractionated yeast extract, herbs (fruits, herbs and botanicals), limestone flour, Yea-Sacc, Bio-Mos, Bio-Plex magnesium, organic extra virgin sesame seed oil, natural vitamin E.

Analysis: Oil (26.5%), Protein (21.5%), Starch (11%), Sugar (3%), Fibre (6%), Ash (11%)

TS Balancer is: Oil (6.0%), Protein (25.0%), Starch (<10.0%), Sugar (not listed), Fibre (8.0%) - according to the comparison table on the website
 
Outshine is 2.7% sugar and 20% starch so i have had to cross that off the list...

Am looking into the base mix....
 
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