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The walk Is getting worse :’(
I’ve tried a different saddle, bareback and a different rider and he did this constantly but intermittently.
does this look like hocks? This is the same as what he did before he had them injected 5 months ago but at the time of the injections he had 2 months off then came back into work doing great. Now he will do this :( won’t do it on the lunge, seemingly happy in the field.
only worked in walk at the moment 20 mins 2 - 3 times a week including on roads.
I’m not pushing him, I just can’t give him time off as it’s looks like he is breaking again and I need him to so I have something to show the vets if that makes sense as last time he was doing this they just didn’t have a clue :(

 
Show your vet the video, your horse is definitely not walking properly. It looks to me as though he is not moving his hip correctly but it could even be caused by something in his foot. The only other thing I would suggest is working him on a hard surface because I did wonder if he was struggling with the artificial surface in your school.

I am sorry you haven't got to the bottom of his problem yet
 
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HK I'm sorry things have gone wrong but I think he's too lame to work, even in walk. Your vet should be able to work him up this week even if you rest him, given that amount of lameness now and a clear video.

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Do you have a normal speed vid HK? It looks to me like he is doing similar to what he did in the bush video? He always reminds me a bit of me when something catches and I'm very short for a few strides and then ok again.
 
Definately something going on and I'd say it's pronounced enough that I would stop working him entirely. Hope your vet can get to bottom of it.
 
cobgoblin said:
Have the vets discounted intermittent locking stifle?
I wouldn't ride him until you know what's happening...
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I would think stifle too as he looks like mine did when he tore his stifle ligament.

Vets couldn't see it as he was fine when he came to see him and told me to ride him till he broke which we did and the vet see it.

I think maybe a specialist hospital would be the way to go, could you maybe se if he could be reffered to sue Dyson?

Or have a company like Sync Thermology out for a thermal scan which then will be reported on by a vet.
 
Given the length of time involved and difficulty getting a firm diagnosis I would still be wondering about SI alongside hocks. If he is that lame under saddle I would definitely not ride at the moment. Show that video to your vet. Will your insurance cover a bone scan?
 
There's something going on with the offside hind. When he shows the short striding on the near hind, that's immediately after he's taken a longer step with the off hind. Definitely a vet job, thermal imaging may help pinpoint the issue.
 
Ester- yes it looks exactly the same to me, when I showed the vets him doing this ( 3 vets) all said they think neurological but it went away so it can’t be.

9tails yes that is what I am seeing it’s like the right hind goes to far under then the left goes short possibly to take the weight off the right quicker :/

when he started doing this before I rested him for 2 weeks before his work up and they declared him sound.

Nudibranch - I’m really wondering about his si, perhaps that’s why the jock injections helped for a short while but actually it’s higher up, to me it just doesn’t look like it’s the hocks. We discussed a bone scan but vet said it will show either everything or nothing at all, sort of leading me to not doing it.

frustratingly he was rested around the time of the hock injections so it could have been the injections that helped or the rest.

when I hack him on the roads I won’t trot because of the arthritis but he feels a bit slow and short but not lame like he is in the video :(
 
One thing I really notice about the movement, is that the near fore and hind are moving practically simultaneously (like what you would call a (bi)lateral walk in dressage), whereas the off side legs are moving more normally. I'm not sure though what might cause that in your horse.
I'm another who thinks you should consider not riding until the vet has checked him out and definitely show them that video - it's very clear to see.
 
It's the bilateral walk I noticed first. Only when watching it after reading the comments did I look for (and spot) the long outside stride followed by the shorter step with the inside hind.
 
Am so sorry your lad is still having issues. It looks similar to my friend's pony which had stifle issues and various problems in her back. I'm absolutely not suggesting it's the same but I would be stopping all work and getting him a scan (if your insurance will cover it) given that you have been trying to get to the bottom of this for some time now.

I really hope you get some answers, it must be so frustrating.
 
If you are insured you really need to investigate this. If your vet won't cooperate change vets. There is clearly something wrong and you need to find out what. I wouldn't be riding him until you have answers.
As this has been going on a while be careful you have not ran out of time to claim on your insurance. Think he needs some serious investigations is xray s and scans etc. If you can get everything checked before your insurance exclude it anyway.
If not insured I think if it were me id turn him away for winter and see how he is in spring.
Good luck. Hope you get to the bottom of it.
 
going to call the vets today, this is the other rein, it’s the same legs doing the same things, one stepping under and almost collapsing and the other goes short. It’s not as bad on this rein but it’s still there, looks like he is dragging his self along.
He is still insured, but it was dismissed as possibly neurological but it’s clearly not as it went away, now it’s back :(
 
You say he seems OK in the field so the difference is the weight of saddle/rider and/or the school surface. Now you have the videos to show your vet I, too, would not ride until he has been seen. In my (somewhat limited) experience some vets always focus in on the hocks but I agree with others that it seems to be coming from higher up which I assume is why it is more pronounced with the ridden weight added to the equation. A bone scan would certainly be a good place to start for me. Hope you get some quick answers.
 
How is he out on the road? If he doesn't do it on a hard surface or in the field, I'd be thinking arena surface as suggested above.

I'm absolutely no expert but his demeanor doesn't scream of a horse in pain to me. If anything I'd say he looks occasionally irritated or surprised by something.

It's one of those things that could be something or nothing to be honest so I think a vet check is the right way to go, but I wouldn't be too doom and gloom about it just yet.

Keeping fingers firmly crossed for you anyway.
 
southerncomfort said:
How is he out on the road? If he doesn't do it on a hard surface or in the field, I'd be thinking arena surface as suggested above.

I'm absolutely no expert but his demeanor doesn't scream of a horse in pain to me. If anything I'd say he looks occasionally irritated or surprised by something.

It's one of those things that could be something or nothing to be honest so I think a vet check is the right way to go, but I wouldn't be too doom and gloom about it just yet.

Keeping fingers firmly crossed for you anyway.
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There's at least two years of unsoundness history with this horse. Bone scanning is something I'd have done a long time ago.
 
Trouper said:
You say he seems OK in the field so the difference is the weight of saddle/rider and/or the school surface. Now you have the videos to show your vet I, too, would not ride until he has been seen. In my (somewhat limited) experience some vets always focus in on the hocks but I agree with others that it seems to be coming from higher up which I assume is why it is more pronounced with the ridden weight added to the equation. A bone scan would certainly be a good place to start for me. Hope you get some quick answers.
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He did this on long reins on grass too previously which eliminates some of those.
 
I think your poor boy is riddled with arthritis especially as he has just got worse .. as the weather quickly changed to cold and very soggy.

ask anyone who suffers how painful it is and how much it affects movement
 
Remember that lameness isn't always linear, I.e. always there, always getting worse. I had a 4 year saga with a youngster (have posted about this plenty). The outcome wasn't good but my point is the lameness can come and go, can worsen and improve, can vary on surfaces and depending on work. Mine was basically field sound but could not cope with any ridden work whatsoever. Hocks were diagnosed first, followed by neck and SI.
Just because they are not bucking and biting all the time doesn't mean they're not sore either. OP's horse looks like a pretty kindly, stoic fellow. I'm sure someone else has linked the Sue Dyson stuff already.
 
tiggipop said:
I think your poor boy is riddled with arthritis especially as he has just got worse .. as the weather quickly changed to cold and very soggy.

ask anyone who suffers how painful it is and how much it affects movement
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riddled where? This horse has had several work ups already.
 
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