Anyone feed DUCK Frozen food from Berriewood?

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Just looking at alternatives for Harvey. I'd like to supplement his kibble to keep him interested in food, as I'd be bored with the same biscuit for the rest of my life (unless they were All Butter Thins......lol)

One questions. It says the food contains no offal....but later says it contains tripe, heart, liver, kidneys. Is that not offal?
 
A lot of the working people feed it here and on the continent and they speak very highly of it.
I know a distributor here, but it is a tad dear.

I would say offal would be trotters and stuff like that, waste etc - a lot of Europeans would not consider heart, liver, kidney and tripe a waste
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Bleuurggh! I do! YAK YAK YAK. You would not put that on MY plate and get me licking my lips.
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It seems a convenient way of feeding a more natural diet.

I'm trying to work out if there are any bones ground in it like the primalfoods from America.
 
It's the nutritional info I don't quite understand for DUCK.

Nutritional Information
Contains only natural ingredients inc. Tripe, Heart, Liver, Kidney min 70%, Cereals & Vegetable by-products.

Analysis
Protein 11.2%, Fat 10.6%, Ash 2.1%, Cellulose 1.2%, Moisture 61.9%


I can't compute the maths between the nutritional info and the analysis? 60.9% moisture and 11/2% protein, yet they say it has 70% minimum of "meat" in it?

Confuddled!
 
Tut Tut Patches you've been found out on your homework!

In the Orijen white paper on page 2553 (joking P23) It explains analysis rather well, it's a total sham. Their example is this
Protein 32%
Fat 18%
Fiber 3%
That analysis is for a leather shoe, engine oil and sawdust!!!!!!

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The leather provides the protein. The motor oil
supplies the fat. And the sawdust contributes
the fiber.

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Just shows what a sham nutritional information can be, but they are required by law to produce it, what is more telling is the list of ingredients as that is required to be listed in order of content highest to lowest. But again they do not have to list stuff they don't add themselves. Though this high quality stuff are very unlikely to have dodgy stuff in their food and it should be human quality for the price but ask!



http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/ORIJEN_White_Paper.pdf
 
Too much to scroll down on a small laptop screen. Will see if hubby will let me print it off through the network. I thought I had done my homework though. I did read a couple of reviews that said high protein diets can cause liver damage in dogs, but then surely people would be saying the same about a BARF diet which could be arguably higher than 70% meat content? Most reviews were excellent, including dogfoodanalysis giving it a 6* rating.

Are you saying that Orijen is a sham and not a good pet food too? If you are, I'm really confused as to where to go next for dog food. If the high end dog feeds are rubbish, then surely EVERY brand of dog food is rubbish? Whilst I accept that might be the concept that led you over to BARF feeding, there has to be an alternative for those of us who find our stomach would turn if we had to handle and feed our dogs raw bits of meat each and every day. I simply couldn't do it as the 100% diet for Harvey. Orijen does list de-boned chicken breast as it's main ingredient and their info on where the meat is sourced.

Ingredient list....

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FRESH REGIONAL INGREDIENTS
Deboned chicken, chicken meal, turkey meal, russet potato, lake whitefish, chicken fat, sweet potato, whole eggs, turkey, salmon meal, salmon and anchovy oils, salmon, natural chicken flavour, sunflower oil, sun-cured alfalfa, dried brown kelp, carrots, spinach, peas, tomatoes, apples, psyllium, dulse, glucosamine Hcl, cranberries, black currants, rosemary extract, chondroitin sulfate, sea salt.
TONIC HERBS AND BOTANICALS
Chicory root, licorice root, tumeric root, funugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, zea mays, peppermint leaf, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosehips.
ORGANIC MINERALS
Iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate.
PROBIOTIC MICROORGANISMS
Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product.
PREMIUM VITAMINS
Mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E), choline chloride, vitamin A, vitamin D3, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin B12, folic acid, biotin.

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Orijen "talking" about where their food is sourced.

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ORIJEN ingredients are unparalleled for their freshness, variety and quality, and to ensure they arrive as fresh as possible, our own refrigerated trucks travel throughout our region delivering free-run chicken, turkey, duck, wild boar and whole eggs from local prairie farms, and wild-caught fish from our cool, clear lakes and North Pacific waters.

Certified free of antibiotics and artificial growth hormones, our meat ingredients are produced exclusively from animals passed as ‘fit for human consumption’ by the Government of Canada.

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That's a generic quote about their whole range. This is relating to the puppy food.

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Fresh Alberta Chicken
Fresh chicken is a feature ingredient in ORIJEN diets. A superior source of high quality protein, our plump prairie chickens are grain-fed (no animal by-products) and are raised hormone and antibiotic free.

Raised "free-run" inside controlled barns, our chicken meat is federally inspected, certified as fit-for-human-consumption and arrives at our factory FRESH each day never frozen or dried.

Slow cooked at low temperature (90c/195F) the same day they arrive, our fresh chicken has greater nutritional integrity than the previously frozen (raw) chicken used in the pet food industry, provide the natural goodness and flavor that all dogs and cats instinctively crave.

orld-Class Fresh Fish - Low in Mercury and free of Ethoxyquin.
Canada's pristine northern lakes hold an abundance of top-quality fish, and while each is distinct, they all have two things in common: world-class quality and world-class taste.

Fresh northern lake whitefish, walleye, lake trout, lake herring and freshwater cod are all indigenous to Canada and provide an excellent source of fresh fish protein, fresh essential oils, as well as selenium and B vitamins.

Caught wild from the cold, clean lakes of northern Alberta and Saskatchewan using sustainable harvesting practices, our fish are government -certified as human grade and delivered to our door FRESH (never frozen and without preservatives).

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I accept that commercially produced food would be seen as not completely "ideal" in terms of "natural feeding", but there are dogs up and down the country which are fed value range commerical feeds, which we would all agree are nutritionally poor, and yet they live to be aged animals with few or no health issues.

I know dogs are "obligate carnivores", but if I were to let my Cocker Spaniel run free, I am positive the cows and sheep would be safe......he'd no doubt find the nearest bin to scavenge for his survival.
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However, if you are saying Orijen is actually useless and I'd be better off saving the money and buying Chappie instead, let me know!
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Are you saying that Orijen is a sham and not a good pet food too?

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Not at all this is what Orijen say about the legal requirement to produce nutritional content in this way, they are saying that it tells you nothing at all, hence the shoe example.

They also go on to quote research results that have been out some time, totally disproving the supposed link between protein levels and organ damage, they go on to ask why some Vets continue to perpetrate this myth. It is currently used to sell people special diets which are actually cheaper to produce and they contain less protein and protein is expensive!!!!

Orijen and it’s like have got to be the very best that cooked kibble has to offer and are far, far better than their counterparts who use totally inappropriate ingredients mostly to make it cheaper and cook at stupendously high temperatures then add nutrients back in! Their ingredients appear to be of an excellent quality and are cooked at much lower temperatures. I would ask what preservatives and stabilisers they use but I cant imagine that having gone to all that trouble to source their meat they would add artificial. (Reading the ingredient list I can’t help thinking though why cook those lovely ingredients! Sorry raw feeder coming out)

I can’t think why vets are not stocking this over some of the other so called “High End” diets.

My personal list would be

1, BARF diet of a variety of meaty whole bones, fish, offal, eggs, and small amount of liquidised veg, all of human grade or organic if we could afford it!

2, Frozen BARF diets of a high quality, containing ground bone and fed with the odd whole bone.

3, Frozen BARF of high quality

4, Lightly cooked variety diets of human grade food and appropriately supplemented.

5, Orijen type cooked diets of high quality meat and no cereal

6, Frozen raw pet food of a variety of meats without any grain added, fed with the odd whole bone. Source of meat unknown

7, Frozen raw pet food with grains

8, So called “Higher End” main stream diets

9, The rest


Someone going to those lengths to list all ingredients, including their source and quality are very unlikely to be duping you. Those that do not appear to have much information available when you look at the site probably are!!!!
 
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It cannot possibly put put "up there" with the rest....or maybe Extra Value Supermarket own brands should be at number 10.

I'm glad you replied with this. I wasn't sure what you meant, but when I'd read some of the white paper I thought it was actually really interesting that Orijen have actually gone to the bother of researching the matter to explain WHY their food is produced in the way it is, with their ingredients. It's quite scary how the analysis is done, isn't it? Like you said, it means NOTHING at all. I often tend to go for just looking at the ingredients and seeing what factors in the list, and where.

The "only" thing I'd like to ask Orijen is whether their ingredient list is in order of UNCOOKED quantities? If it is, the fresh deboned chicken could well be lower down the list when the moisture content is removed? If you compare to the Applaws ingredient list, it states "Chicken (dry)".

I know it's expensive, but I'm prepared to pay that if my dog is getting a good quality feed that has had alot of through put into it to make it appropriate for our dogs to eat. For me it's a compromise for what I can deal with day to day.

All I want now is a good quality frozen barf diet that contains ground bone in it so I can feed the Orijen in the morning and the frozen in the evenings when he's a bit bigger. More difficult at the moment as he is still on three meals a day so I can't separate the meat/kibble as easily. I will supplement that with one or two raw bones a week for dental cleaning.

I do also like the look of the Applaws range but decided to stick with what he's had before, due to the fact he's had issues with a sensitive stomach in the past.

Glad you cleared up the health issue side of it. I hadn't read that bit. I must say, if you're not familiar with the feed - as in you've never smelt/touched it - it's very unlike normal dog kibble. Not only does it smell completely different, the pieces are firmer, not quite so "biscuity/crumbly" as alot of kibbles and if you soak them in hot water they do not swell up (well not in the five minutes I've left them to soak). The very outside of the kibble might feel a little slimy, but the kibble itself stays firm.
 
Suppose what I should have done is put the rest down at about 15 on the list, they don't really deserve to be that close!!!!

It certainly sounds like they have really done their homework and the quality of ingredients is always very important. I know the Canadian Gov't are quite strict on how things are described more so than ours! I would ping them an email and ask about the weight I am sure they will be much more eager to reply than your average pet food company!!!!

Might be worth pinging a few emails at suppliers to see if they would stock BARF or the USA patties? There would I think be quite a big market for them here?
 
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