Anyone had kissing spine surgery which was NOT successful??

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Hi,

As title really.... (and obviously I meant horse that had surgery!)

Has anyone's horse had the surgery and then had the symptoms come back (with anything else as well??) and what were they, i.e. symptom wise?

Taking my beautiful mare back to the vets tomorrow but I cannot help obsess over everything...So has anyone else been through the same at all?

Thanks
 
Sorry to hear about your girl. I believe Wagtail on here has a horse that had unsuccessful kissing spine surgery. May be worth PMing her.
 
Mine was successful. I thought it wasn't as he had so much pain memory but we are on the up now. If you are on Facebook it is worth posting on the group Horses with Kissing Spine. Everyone is very supportive and understanding and have loads of experience of the different complications etc. You don't say why you think yours was unsuccessful?
Mine was October 2012 and I spent months stressing and going back to the vets feeling he wasn't fixed and the solution was time, patience lots of physio and lots of help from an instructor who had experience of other KS horses helped us.

I was absolutely positive there was something else wrong but we are now ok and building up our confidence in each other as pre op I had some dreadful experiences with the nicest horse I have ever owned. It is a very long journey.
 
How long ago was it done? Mine is in rehab now and I am dealing with remembered pain in the arena, but not on the road. It's definitely an issue in the early days.

If yours is definitely still in pain, my vet told me that Cotts who pioneered the ligament resection that mine had reckon 60% of horses with kissing spines also have PSD and/or sacroiliac issues, so that's probably where to start.

I am so sorry you are having on going problems :(
 
Mine had the op dec 2011. In the rehab and the ridden work since, I thought we had cracked it at some points but this was in amongst worse times too. Very up and down, and in fact everytime I thought - right, I am going to call the vet, things improved a bit.
This time not so much though :-(

I have convinced myelf of PSD, SI and god knows what else. She has recently been diagnosed with DJD in the hocks, but her way of going and general avoidance and discomfort to me just seems like there is something else going on (hence the feeling of PSD etc) as its so much more than feeling stiff at the start, its a complete avoidance, even plodding down the lane. She will hump when you get on and feel as though she will explode, and recently I cannot take up any left bend and if asked will just go off into a hopping canter as if a switch has been set!!

She has had a bute trial and was no different if not worse. Back to the vets tomorrow. She has gone from (in July) feeling fantastic, forward and looking brilliant but still struggling in the canter (hence initially wanting to go back to the vets) to now post lots of time off to not even being able to get her to trot with throwing a hissy fit. Always had the physio regularly who was surprised about the amount of compensatory stuff going on just this recently esp since shes just been in the field (for example tightness, spasms etc in the front now too, whereas not had that before). She has always been a 'girthy' has a (ulcer friendly diet), always turned out loads and mixed hacking with school work.

She could never go down hill very well at all, struggled with canter always but improved somewhat post KS surgery (though mainly cantered out hacking).. Still went disunited even on a straight line, but is now going disunited on the lunge, tails swishing, sore back, chomping at the bit as so tense and not a happy at all.

I think it will be the end of the road for her ridden career :-(
 
Since she is girthy I would treat her for ulcers with stuff from Abler.com no matter what.

Also, a very good horse vet recently told me that they have just realised that Bute is ineffective against sacroiliac issues.

I understand too that hock djd is often associated with PSD and its the PSD causing most of the issues.

So sorry you are not on the rehab high that I'm on today :(
 
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Yes, I did read that somewhere (might have even been you to be honest on another thread). I mentioned this to my physio though loads of times and she apparently didn't have anything come up muscular in this area, though who knows how different horses carry themselves to compensate and I don't think anything like this is an exact science to be honest)

I will be discussing EGUS tomorrow with my vets too, she has had an ulcer supplement (equifeast version) and I have done research on this as had previously convinced myself of this (spoke to the vets who saw her)... but she looks amazing (i.e coat) and had a negative to the youtube prod test video, has perfect poo, never colicky, eats very well, always fed before ridden work (i.e Alfa a molasses free) and has never had any sweet feed.. so when they discarded it I went along, but I have nothing to lose (bar the cost) so will definitely try that to 100% rule out at least.

Thank you
 
If you are insured, go Gastrogard. If not, Abler is much cheaper but not legal to import. You can buy thousands of human omeprazole off eBay which will do the job legally if you need to. The drug is effective and largely side effect free, so I would not bother to scope, I'd just try it.
 
NeedNewHorse said:
Mine had the op dec 2011. In the rehab and the ridden work since, I thought we had cracked it at some points but this was in amongst worse times too. Very up and down, and in fact everytime I thought - right, I am going to call the vet, things improved a bit.
This time not so much though :-(

I have convinced myelf of PSD, SI and god knows what else. She has recently been diagnosed with DJD in the hocks, but her way of going and general avoidance and discomfort to me just seems like there is something else going on (hence the feeling of PSD etc) as its so much more than feeling stiff at the start, its a complete avoidance, even plodding down the lane. She will hump when you get on and feel as though she will explode, and recently I cannot take up any left bend and if asked will just go off into a hopping canter as if a switch has been set!!

She has had a bute trial and was no different if not worse. Back to the vets tomorrow. She has gone from (in July) feeling fantastic, forward and looking brilliant but still struggling in the canter (hence initially wanting to go back to the vets) to now post lots of time off to not even being able to get her to trot with throwing a hissy fit. Always had the physio regularly who was surprised about the amount of compensatory stuff going on just this recently esp since shes just been in the field (for example tightness, spasms etc in the front now too, whereas not had that before). She has always been a 'girthy' has a (ulcer friendly diet), always turned out loads and mixed hacking with school work.

She could never go down hill very well at all, struggled with canter always but improved somewhat post KS surgery (though mainly cantered out hacking).. Still went disunited even on a straight line, but is now going disunited on the lunge, tails swishing, sore back, chomping at the bit as so tense and not a happy at all.

I think it will be the end of the road for her ridden career :-(
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That sounds like SI to me :(
 
cptrayes said:
Also, a very good horse vet recently told me that they have just realised that Bute is ineffective against sacroiliac issues.
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That is really interesting! Do you know if there have been any studies done to show this or anything like that?
My mare has SI pain and is currently on danilon, which has helped hugely with muscle pain but she still becomes disunited in canter, which made me think that the pain relief can only do so much. I would love to mention this to my vet, but I might need more than "someone on the internet says" :D
 
HashRouge said:
That is really interesting! Do you know if there have been any studies done to show this or anything like that?
My mare has SI pain and is currently on danilon, which has helped hugely with muscle pain but she still becomes disunited in canter, which made me think that the pain relief can only do so much. I would love to mention this to my vet, but I might need more than "someone on the internet says" :D
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You can contact him by email and mention my name. He is Arnie Agnew at Agnew Equine.
 
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