Anyone loaned there horse out = do you need to give passport

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as above really = has anyone loaned their horse out and did you give the passport to the loaner. we have a bhs loan agreement in place but if the loaner wants to compete she will need the passport or will a copy do

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My horse is out on loan and the loaners have her passport.
If the vet is needed in an emergency, then the passport is required, and I can't guarantee being able to get to the horse quickly.
 
I had the passport when I previously loaned a horse and would give the passport if I were going to loan my horse out.

The loaner needs the passport for vets and when travelling the horse anywhere, it's not a proof of ownership. It should be written into the contract that the passport has been passed over.
 
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I had the passport when I previously loaned a horse and would give the passport if I were going to loan my horse out.

The loaner needs the passport for vets and when travelling the horse anywhere, it's not a proof of ownership. It should be written into the contract that the passport has been passed over.

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No its not proof of ownership but I think it stands you in a little better stead (or am I wrong?)
The fact I dont give mine is because if it doesnt get given back I'd have to foot the bill.
My horse doesnt attend shows or travel without my say so - so that solves that problem.

Could anyone fill me in as to why the vet needs the passport? My horse has been treated by a vet and his passport has never been requested.
 
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Could anyone fill me in as to why the vet needs the passport? My horse has been treated by a vet and his passport has never been requested.

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I'm not sure but mine was requested last time I took my boy to the vets
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Could anyone fill me in as to why the vet needs the passport? My horse has been treated by a vet and his passport has never been requested.

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Our vets won't treat a horse without a passport being present, presumably to verify identification, but I'm not entirely sure
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They also need it for vaccinations, and to mark on some medications.
 
and for registering any defined medication UNLESS the Not for Human Consumption declaration has been signed.

Howver,our own vets sees each horses passport and if NFHC' signed, log it on the records so they don't have to check every time.

Its is totally useless as any form of proof of ownership.
And new ones can be obtained by any one for any horse if breeding details are not required.
 
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Could anyone fill me in as to why the vet needs the passport? My horse has been treated by a vet and his passport has never been requested.

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They use it to record vaccs. Although as someone else said, I don't think it is for proof of ownership.
 
i have kept my horses passports in both loan situations but have made it avaliable to loanee if they needed for comps or vets.

One example of why you should keep it....

YO horse out on loan and loanee turned very nasty (very long story i dont want to go into on public forum) and after a lot of discussion YO & my hubby went over at 8pm on a saturday to collect the horse. Police & RSPCA got involved and YO wasnt allowed to remove the horse until he produced the horse belong to him! So YO wife had to drive over with passport, so they could check details and they allowed the horse to be removed. Had loanee had passport taking this horse back wouldnt have been possible!!!

I think this situation is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other!
 
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i have kept my horses passports in both loan situations but have made it avaliable to loanee if they needed for comps or vets.

One example of why you should keep it....

YO horse out on loan and loanee turned very nasty (very long story i dont want to go into on public forum) and after a lot of discussion YO & my hubby went over at 8pm on a saturday to collect the horse. Police & RSPCA got involved and YO wasnt allowed to remove the horse until he produced the horse belong to him! So YO wife had to drive over with passport, so they could check details and they allowed the horse to be removed. Had loanee had passport taking this horse back wouldnt have been possible!!!

I think this situation is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other!

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And still apparently they aren't proof of ownership - clearly some people think they are..
 
I have the passport for my loan horse.
Not only may it be required for veterinary treatment, but also for travel. Not just for shows, but just to get out and about.

Why would the owner want to keep the passport? If they are worried about being able to 'prove' they are the owner, then perhaps they don't have a loan agreement! The passport is irrelevent in 'ownership' disputes surely
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I give the passport to those I trust - otherwise they get a copy of it and I send it to vets for any updating!

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Good job you kept hold of it last time.
 
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I have the passport for my loan horse.
Not only may it be required for veterinary treatment, but also for travel. Not just for shows, but just to get out and about.

Why would the owner want to keep the passport? If they are worried about being able to 'prove' they are the owner, then perhaps they don't have a loan agreement! The passport is irrelevent in 'ownership' disputes surely
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I keep mine because it costs money to replace. I think thats a good a reason as any. I dont have an 'agreement' either.
 
Speaking from the experience of just having had a nightmare of getting my horse back from loaners who refused to give her up, I would never hand over the passport again as that was another thing they refused to give back. Mind you I'd never put a horse out on loan again either
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One of my horses passports states me as the owner but the other (who's on loan to nikkiportia) has no ownership details at all.
 
I haven't read al the replies because this question has been asked quite a lot, but the Passport MUST go with the horse/pony.
 
We have the passports for both horses we have on loan (legally, the passport has to go with the horse). We also have a statement in the loan agreements that the passport goes with the horse but that there is no implication of ownership.

Works for us (and one of the horses is on loan from a lawyer, so if she's happy, we're happy!)
 
In strict legal terms the passport should be with the designated carer of the horse. The person loaning the horse should be given the passport once they have possesion of the horse. If the horse is kept at a livery yard then the livery yard should be in possesion of the passport. When the horse is travelling to a competition etc then the passport should accompany the horse.

Passports are not proof of ownership. They where purely introduced so that the pharmaceutical history of a horse could be recorded so that drugs could not enter the human food chain when the horse is slaughtered.

Proof of identity of the horse is best achieved by freezemarking a horse on it's shoulder and as a second best micro-chipping the horse. (All horses born in Europe after June of next year will have to be microchipped within 3 months of birth).

Proof of ownership is achieved by having the 'Bill of Sale'.
 
When I had my loan pony I had the passport. I think the passport is meant to be with the horse/pony. Some of the liveries on the yard i'm on keep their passports at the yard, but as I live next door I keep mine at home.
 
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Our vets won't treat a horse without a passport being present, presumably to verify identification, but I'm not entirely sure
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They also need it for vaccinations, and to mark on some medications.

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They don't need it for vaccinations. I had a horse on loan and his owner kept his passport. She handed me his vaccination record, but that was not a part of the passport. I called the vet out for him twice, once for vaccinations and once for lameness, and the vet didn't have any problems treating him without his passport present.
 
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