Anyone seen this website before? Re: buying horses due for meat
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kazs
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dont know of anyone, but it sickens me to see any animal suffer.
FinkleyAlex
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yep I have, lots of people on NR have rescued these, I hope to rescue one myself when I come into a bit more money, they're doing a great job!
zelli
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interesting... but i dont get how it works...
the watcher
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There are one or two people who use this forum who have purchased horses from French horsemeat producers, and it has been the subject of some debate.
I am sure everybody who does this is well intentioned, whether they are just supporting the production of horses in these areas is another question, I suppose.
I am sure everybody who does this is well intentioned, whether they are just supporting the production of horses in these areas is another question, I suppose.
zelli
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I don't get it... why france and not the ones from this country? there asking alot of money for them... by th time youve paid transport as well youve got a challanging horse for the price of a decent one... i know thats not the point, but kinda makes it seem odd to me...
vennessa
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Have only read a bit not brave enough to read more. Some countries eat horses something that will not change. Would it not be better to stop the live movement for meat? Buying these horses is putting money in their pockets and creating a want (can't think of the words) There are campains regards live movement of meat horses would it not be better to support these campaigns? and also to support the campaigns for the proper welfare? Buying these horses solves nothing i am sorry to say. If we found a dodgy person selling poor horses and bought them all they would go out and get more to sell again - viscious circle that needs breaking. Supply and demand!
I know of a dealer that buys meat horses from Holland (Haflingers) and sells them here for a lot of money. Those people buying them are causing a demand in the meat market in a round about way. The horses are selling well so more horses are taken to the meat market. Throwing money at things is not always the answer. Education and enforcement of welfare is a better answer.
Do people realise how many horses in this country go for slaughter that needed rescueing? Good horses that would have a good future if rescue centres had the finances to take them in? It's heartbreaking but there is only so many places in centres and the smaller places like us and i hope they don't mind me saying this Bank End Rescue don't get the funding as we are not in the headlines and don't have fortunes to advertise. We do our bit out of our own pocket. We are close to a well known massive organisation which has not been open to the public recently. We have taken on masses of their work - they have put people in contact with me - but we don't get any funding!
My point is education is needed and welfare pushed - not money in the pockets of the meat men!
Sorry it turned into a bit of a rant - have deleted some of this - getting out something that someone annoyed me with
I know of a dealer that buys meat horses from Holland (Haflingers) and sells them here for a lot of money. Those people buying them are causing a demand in the meat market in a round about way. The horses are selling well so more horses are taken to the meat market. Throwing money at things is not always the answer. Education and enforcement of welfare is a better answer.
Do people realise how many horses in this country go for slaughter that needed rescueing? Good horses that would have a good future if rescue centres had the finances to take them in? It's heartbreaking but there is only so many places in centres and the smaller places like us and i hope they don't mind me saying this Bank End Rescue don't get the funding as we are not in the headlines and don't have fortunes to advertise. We do our bit out of our own pocket. We are close to a well known massive organisation which has not been open to the public recently. We have taken on masses of their work - they have put people in contact with me - but we don't get any funding!
My point is education is needed and welfare pushed - not money in the pockets of the meat men!
Sorry it turned into a bit of a rant - have deleted some of this - getting out something that someone annoyed me with
JM07
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well put, silver florin...
vennessa
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Waiting for the backlash
zigzag
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Well said Silver Florin
MurphysMinder
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You won't see a backlash from me. Well said Silver Florin. I was told by an ILPH field officer that more welsh hill foals were being bred because there was a market for them not from the meat men but from members of the public at auctions who bid silly prices to "rescue" them. He also said that quite often these foals ended up being rescued because the people who bought them had no idea how to look after them
Parkranger
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Agree with SF compeltely
vennessa
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You won't see a backlash from me. Well said Silver Florin. I was told by an ILPH field officer that more welsh hill foals were being bred because there was a market for them not from the meat men but from members of the public at auctions who bid silly prices to "rescue" them. He also said that quite often these foals ended up being rescued because the people who bought them had no idea how to look after them
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Sorry to say how true this is. They are not handled, herded into a market and then subjected to haveing halters put on and expected to be led out into a box! They end up rearing and throwing themselves around and hurt themselves. I have seen people kicking them whilst on the concrete floor - yes i do step in! They then get them home and can't do a thing with them. We have been called out to one that jumped through a window, one that managed to climb a huge muckheap and jump onto the roof of the stable, one that broke free and ran petrified down a main road and many more stories. Some people do not realise what they are takeing on. The poor little things are terrified and do end up as true rescue cases from these people.
I am makeing a morning of it aren't i
You won't see a backlash from me. Well said Silver Florin. I was told by an ILPH field officer that more welsh hill foals were being bred because there was a market for them not from the meat men but from members of the public at auctions who bid silly prices to "rescue" them. He also said that quite often these foals ended up being rescued because the people who bought them had no idea how to look after them
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Sorry to say how true this is. They are not handled, herded into a market and then subjected to haveing halters put on and expected to be led out into a box! They end up rearing and throwing themselves around and hurt themselves. I have seen people kicking them whilst on the concrete floor - yes i do step in! They then get them home and can't do a thing with them. We have been called out to one that jumped through a window, one that managed to climb a huge muckheap and jump onto the roof of the stable, one that broke free and ran petrified down a main road and many more stories. Some people do not realise what they are takeing on. The poor little things are terrified and do end up as true rescue cases from these people.
I am makeing a morning of it aren't i
Parkranger
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Just looked over the site properly and I'm actually really concerned. There appears to be alot of people 'rescueing' these horses who don't have a clue - they'll end up not being able to cope and then said horse being pushed from pillar to post.....makes me so angry.
Can I ask that every person who's reading this thread spend the time to register on the http://www.ilph.org/makeanoise/ website......
Can I ask that every person who's reading this thread spend the time to register on the http://www.ilph.org/makeanoise/ website......
NeilM
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I would just like to agree with Silver Florin.
As a recent incomer to the world of horses, but also as someone who makes their living in sales and marketing, from an analysts point of view the UK horse market is vastly over supplied. In English, there are more horse than there are prospective owners.
I am sure people 'rescue' these horse with the best of intentions, but really they are just importing more horses into a Country that already has too many.
As a recent incomer to the world of horses, but also as someone who makes their living in sales and marketing, from an analysts point of view the UK horse market is vastly over supplied. In English, there are more horse than there are prospective owners.
I am sure people 'rescue' these horse with the best of intentions, but really they are just importing more horses into a Country that already has too many.
Parkranger
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I would just like to agree with Silver Florin.
As a recent incomer to the world of horses, but also as someone who makes their living in sales and marketing, from an analysts point of view the UK horse market is vastly over supplied. In English, there are more horse than there are prospective owners.
I am sure people 'rescue' these horse with the best of intentions, but really they are just importing more horses into a Country that already has too many.
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Sadly they'll just end up going back on the ferry to france for meat.
Ty was brought over from Ireland and kept by a riding school for 4 months before I brought him - I later found out that he was shipped over with loads of other horses - they horses that were any good stayed, and the others went straight to France.......
I would just like to agree with Silver Florin.
As a recent incomer to the world of horses, but also as someone who makes their living in sales and marketing, from an analysts point of view the UK horse market is vastly over supplied. In English, there are more horse than there are prospective owners.
I am sure people 'rescue' these horse with the best of intentions, but really they are just importing more horses into a Country that already has too many.
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Sadly they'll just end up going back on the ferry to france for meat.
Ty was brought over from Ireland and kept by a riding school for 4 months before I brought him - I later found out that he was shipped over with loads of other horses - they horses that were any good stayed, and the others went straight to France.......
SirenaXVI
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Round of applause for Silver Florin
vennessa
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Round of applause for Silver Florin
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ooo crikes please don't, shrivels away. Not one to be in the spot light
Round of applause for Silver Florin
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ooo crikes please don't, shrivels away. Not one to be in the spot light
jhoward
Demon exorcist...
but you have a valid point, theres pleanty of horses and donkies in this country that people could rehome. why bring more into the country? as much as i can see the point of the site, and have dealt with the lady that owns it, i cant understand why people that feel sorry for horses or want something cheaper, dont go and buy an x race horse.
as someone said about the welshes, in devon farmers were breeding hill ponies for meat, human food chain but also suppliying zoos, in a way thats life,
the only thing i can say i really disagree with is the trnsportation side of things, not just horses but any animal.
as someone said about the welshes, in devon farmers were breeding hill ponies for meat, human food chain but also suppliying zoos, in a way thats life,
the only thing i can say i really disagree with is the trnsportation side of things, not just horses but any animal.
newtonpark
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You won't see a backlash from me. Well said Silver Florin. I was told by an ILPH field officer that more welsh hill foals were being bred because there was a market for them not from the meat men but from members of the public at auctions who bid silly prices to "rescue" them. He also said that quite often these foals ended up being rescued because the people who bought them had no idea how to look after them
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you were told right.....
You won't see a backlash from me. Well said Silver Florin. I was told by an ILPH field officer that more welsh hill foals were being bred because there was a market for them not from the meat men but from members of the public at auctions who bid silly prices to "rescue" them. He also said that quite often these foals ended up being rescued because the people who bought them had no idea how to look after them
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you were told right.....
newtonpark
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Round of applause for Silver Florin
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ooo crikes please don't, shrivels away. Not one to be in the spot light
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your turn to be HHO flavour of the week!!!!
embarressing isnt it
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Round of applause for Silver Florin
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ooo crikes please don't, shrivels away. Not one to be in the spot light
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your turn to be HHO flavour of the week!!!!
embarressing isnt it
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
I agree with Silver_Florin.
Buying horses to 'rescue' them creates a demand...and supply will follow.
Don't buy poor looking animals from a sale - report the seller instead so they get investigated rather than rewarded!
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Buying horses to 'rescue' them creates a demand...and supply will follow.
Don't buy poor looking animals from a sale - report the seller instead so they get investigated rather than rewarded!
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newtonpark
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I agree with Silver_Florin.
Buying horses to 'rescue' them creates a demand...and supply will follow.
Don't buy poor looking animals from a sale - report the seller instead so they get investigated rather than rewarded!
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it seems that not only on this forum but others, that brick wall, head and bang come to mind, Shills....
I agree with Silver_Florin.
Buying horses to 'rescue' them creates a demand...and supply will follow.
Don't buy poor looking animals from a sale - report the seller instead so they get investigated rather than rewarded!
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it seems that not only on this forum but others, that brick wall, head and bang come to mind, Shills....
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Donkeymad
Guest
Absolutely 100% agree with both Silver-Florin and Shilasdair.
Where are the members who have bought from here then?
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Where are the members who have bought from here then?
fruity
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gosh didn't mean for it to get into some kind of debate just wondered if anyone had dealt with these people who run it,then again this kind of website will get people chatting!!! I stumbled across it somehow and thought it very odd as lots of people over here are buying them and i personally don't think they are worth any where near to the prices they want for them,the money people pay them is funding the buying of more meat horses. Why don't people stop and think about where their money is going before buying an animal!!! and that goes for not only horses.