Appaloosa, it is a breed RANT

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A small but heartfelt rant coming up.
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Appaloosa is specific breed, with breed standards, it IS NOT just any pony/horse with spots!

Please don't call just any equine with spots an Appaloosa, it isn't. It must be 14.2 or over, to be registered on the British Appaloosa society full register it must have two registered parents, although one can be on the part bred register. To be on the part bred register it must have striped hooves, a white sclera round the eye and spotted skin. Please look at the BAPS website for the breed standard.
Thank you for taking the time to read my rant
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This annoys me too, I'm entering a coloured class tomorrow at a show and it says under colours accepted - appaloosa. This annoys me as it's a breed not a colour, even though I don't own one I think they're lovely
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you are welcome and when my yearling has finished changing colour I will tell you if she is a part bred LOL her sire is loud leopard and Dam dark bay, she was mousey when born, then turned black but has recently lost most of the hair on her muzzle, skin turned pik and has now mottled, her hair is growing back white and today I noticed she has further white hairs coming on her face...oh and a noticable black spot on her bum! she does have the hooves though but too much mane (see other post) her full brother I am told turned blanket spot and her Dam had another filly this year who is leopard spot so I am hoping she will continue to spot out.
 
May I ask when that was? I am very surprised to hear that, as it is my understanding that this has been the standard for a long time (I am almost sure it was when we got the old Appy about 25 years ago
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) Have I got it wrong, is it 14hh? Must go back and check......




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I am sooo soo glad someone has said this!!

I am a liveryat a friends stud, and this year some foals have popped out spotty - All of the other liveris/visitors keep referring to the foals as Appy's. Dams are mostly WB sire Cremello WB - So no no no App there at all.

It makes me very, very mad!!!!!!
 
I'm guessing chances are you can get under height registered appy's after all you get loads of overheight registers connemara's!!

So are appy looking ponies just spotted? is that the official colour??
 
It is that they are spotted ponies, there are even spotted Shetlands that get called Appaloosa! I would think that the under height ones are the ofspring of two registered parents, so on the register from birth, my current mare has both parents as registered and so was registered as a foal.
 
Your rant would be valid if there was actually a breed type. The only criteria seems to be markings. And if your appaloosa is half TB, QH or Arab it is still a fully registered Appaloosa, or have they finally closed the stud book?

We bred a full appaloosa, except it was a solid and therefore we weren't allowed to register it in the main stud book.

So if the appaloosa is a breed not a colour why aren't solids allowed in the main part of the stud book?
 
This is no longer the case DD, my own mare is roaned with a few varnish marks rather than spots. There was an awful mish mash within the society (I think) a few years ago, when they stopped allowing true types that weren't from registered parents from being registered and had the thing about solid colours. That seems to have all gone by the board now. My mares full siblings seem to all be solicd coloured although both parents are loud coloured beings
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The only fully registered ones now are those from parents on the register (or the part bred register) So although my mare has both arab and Tb in her pedigree, they are quite a way back. Hope that makes sense.
What prompted this was another thread where a knappstrupperx ID was described as an Appy, this is just not the case.
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Your rant would be valid if there was actually a breed type. The only criteria seems to be markings. And if your appaloosa is half TB, QH or Arab it is still a fully registered Appaloosa, or have they finally closed the stud book?

We bred a full appaloosa, except it was a solid and therefore we weren't allowed to register it in the main stud book.

So if the appaloosa is a breed not a colour why aren't solids allowed in the main part of the stud book?

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Thats what i thought too. It is a colour, like palamino. (although that is wrongly counted as a 'breed' in the US). An appy is any horse with spots (unless it's brittish spotted or knubstrap or similar, and therefore from a breed). Whether it's registered is a different matter.
 
Sorry but you are incorrect there, it is indeed a breed, it has a breed register, it is NOT any horse with spots, please have a look at the British Appaloosa Society website.
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I like this rant.
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I just googled and found this

http://www.usol.com/~lyoneastwest/appaloosastandards.htm

It took some digging and yes, unlike Palamino, it's not a color per se. On the breed standard above, it doesn't say that an appy must be spotted. I seem to remember seeing purebred registered apps being solid colored.

Oh, and as far as I know, in the US they don't consider Palamino a breed (at least not when I last lived there)
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I used to own a mare with the white sclera, striped hooves, spotted skin.... but she was clearly a roan-ish skewbald? O.o She was blue roan(ish) with definite white patches, and no real spots, dark mane and tail
What colour does that make her? I'm curious
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Was she just a coloured... with spots? xD
 
Mine is obviously an exception, she is a registered part bred....but only 14.1hh!!!!

But when she was registered as a foal adult height wasn't taken into consideration.....
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Well I'd say you are both right and wrong at the same time..

Use a capital A and its a breed.

Use a lower case a and it is a colour pattern.

...and if its under 14hh it's a Palouse Pony.....or a palouse pony...depending if you are refering to the BREED or the COLOUR

It just a situation where a term for a certain colour pattern just happens to share it's name with a Breed, (that SHOCK HORROR...mainly has the same colour characteristic!)

So....Rein in your rant, cos they are just as correct as you...depending on if they capitalise the word!
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My friend has an Appaloosa that has no spots, a solid bay, he has a lovely temperament, I've met quite a few Appaloosas and all of them have been quite laid back and easy to be around.

I enter a SPOTTED show every year with my SPOTTED Shetland X, he isn't an appaloosa, but the classes are for spotties.
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And yes, he is on a diet.
 
so i take it this is a rant at me? i indeed posted with a pic of my Appaloosa horse who is a tb x knabstrupper he is a registered Appaloosa both his parents registered. so you are saying that he is not an Appaloosa? i am confused? how do i describe him if he is not an Appaloosa. sorry i am just very delighted with my boy, he really is my pride and joy i and just wanted to show him off. He clearly has all the charecteristics you have described. i was just trying to state his breeding there was nothing intended in my previous post showing my horse to upset or offend anyone i am very very sorry if i have. Why indeed did it upset you so much as to cause you to start a rant? could you pm me i am very interested in this whole subject.
 
Show schedules should say "coloured, spotted and palomino". Unfortunately the term apaloosa has been hijacked in the same way that people generically call vacuum cleaners, hoovers.
 
Interestingly Klaus, who was one of the early influential Applaoosa sires and also 11 times national champion at the Appaloosa breed show was actually a Knabstrupper
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So is a solid chestnut horse that has both parents registered in the Appaloosa breed studbook now also allowed to be fully registered? Or do they still have the non characteristic part of the stud book?
 
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