Appaloosas at royal windsor

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Watching the Appaloosa classes at royal windsor yesterday, and noticed that both the winner in youngstock and at least one competitor in the main class had no spots- and appeared to be 'just' bay. I'm now going crazy with curiosity trying to figure out what makes these horses Appaloosa- will they have genetic test or similar showing the horse carries a spotty gene that didn't present, or need to show mottled skin a la US breed society registration requirements?
 
Appaloosa is a breed (not a colour) so presumably it has a studbook just like any other, along with a defined 'breed type'. Presumably spots are not the primary defining feature if solid colours can win!
 
As above, appaloosa is a breed, not a colour. You can get spotty non-appaloosas (eg British spotted ponies and Knabstruppers) and you can get non spotty appaloosas.

This basic chart (from colorgenetics) shows the interaction between LP and PATN (the genes responsible for spotty coats) and you can see that solid horses with no spots is one of the possibilities. :)

NC = non characteristic/solid
CO = characteristics only/varnish roan
talkingmongo0seLPchart.png
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Ah, that explains it. I thought it was considered a colour in the UK and only the Americans recognised if as a breed. Thanks.
 
Very much confused by this one, too. I used to own an Appaloosa. Thought he was one, given his blanket-spotted rump. But apparently not.
 
Ah!! I was there and thought exactly the same thing, great to know the answer, I loved the winning one shame about the stable stains though :/
 
Faracat said:
As above, appaloosa is a breed, not a colour. You can get spotty non-appaloosas (eg British spotted ponies and Knabstruppers) and you can get non spotty appaloosas.

This basic chart (from colorgenetics) shows the interaction between LP and PATN (the genes responsible for spotty coats) and you can see that solid horses with no spots is one of the possibilities. :)

NC = non characteristic/solid
CO = characteristics only/varnish roan
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We have 2 Appaloosa mares, the 19 yr old pure-bred is a varnish roan since she has coloured out, her younger full siblings are still solid, both parents are very spotty. The part-bred (xWelsh) was born solid but at 5 now has a pale base and spots from nose to tail. Those without characteristics are not registerable with either breed society in UK.
The 1st mare that we had had a very similar to the part-bred, we knew nothing about her breeding but at that time she could have been registered as pure-bred because of her type and characteristics.
 
Jo_x said:
That is true for palominos :)
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I don't understand what you mean.

Palomino is a colour and not a breed (ee (chestnut) + one copy of Cream).

If you look at this link http://www.palominohba.com/membership/ you can see that a whole range of breeds are listed as suitable breeds to be registered with the PHBA 'provided the horse meet color and white rules' (sic).

Pearlsasinger said:
Those without characteristics are not registerable with either breed society in UK.
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Even if both parents are fully registered and the foal is DNA verified as being by the sire?
 
Faracat said:
I don't understand what you mean.

Palomino is a colour and not a breed (ee (chestnut) + one copy of Cream).
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I know, that is what I was saying. In the UK palomino is a colour (clearly not a breed, two palominos won't always have a palomino foal!). However, many americans recognise it as a breed.
 
But if you read the link I provided (which is an American organisation for registering palomino horses) they clearly make the distinction between breed and colour.
 
My appaloosa was a solid bay out of near leopard mare by a blanket spotted stallion. My solid bay was fully registered with the British appaloosa society and aphc as a purebred because that's what he was... regardless of the fact he showed no colour characteristics. There are many solid fully and part registered appaloosas.
 
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