Arab Breeders - Can You Help?

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Or anyone really who has a bit of knowledge about the Arab breed.
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Would you be kind enough to take a look at the pedigree of this horse and let me know your thoughts please? She is an American-bred Arab so some of the latest names in the pedigree may not be familiar to you.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com
 
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Hi Tia, very few of those names are familiar to me, Skowronek was taken to England, by the Blunts I believe, so there is Crabbet in there which often makes them a little chunkier. There is Spanish in there too looking at them again.
The other names look Egyptian I think, and they are generally finer. As you said, US breeding is so far (I'm working on it) unfamiliar so I couldn't say "Oh, cracking lines in that" because I don't know. Now, if there had been Bask or Padron in there I would have been on more familiar turf.
Htobago, for one, is terribly hot on her bloodlines, perhaps she will pop up and give you her opinion.
Is this something you are looking at? Whatever the lines, a horse is a horse is a horse, all the flashiest names mean absolutely zilch if the thing has a head like a bucket or moves like a cow on the way to be milked.
Pictures?

I'm off to find out more.....
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Thanks for that Enfys. I know nothing about Arab breeding and they don't really do it for me, but I have a client who wants a chunky Arab and it so happens that I know someone who is selling one
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. I don't have any photos yet, but I have met said pony and she is a very nice natured girl and apparently is very quiet, which is what my client is looking for.
 
Character and temperament is worth more than all the fancy names I think, if they want purebred to show, then she is, so that wouldn't be a problem.

I have known a few Spanish bred arabians and they were all generally nice, calm 'people' even considering they were stallions and racing. Oh, she has got some pretty impressive ancestors anyway
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AN MALIK C, ARABIAN, 1970
Color: gr
AHR 86605
Imp. from Spain to US in 1972 Sire of world champion (espano estopa). Supreme Champion of Spain, 1972,his get have won over 20 National Championships or Top Tens in the States. Undoubtedly the leading sire of Spanish Arabians.
 
Thanks for that. No they don't want to show, but you know how people are over here, the client wouldn't even consider buying something not registered......bit like me
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Question for you Tia, would say, a registered part-bred Arab (for example) count in your book as as registered or not? Just curious.
 
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Question for you Tia, would, say, a registered part-bred Arab (for example) count in your book as as registered or not? Just curious.
 
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I wouldn't consider it "properly" registered; I'd see it as a crossbreed I'm afraid......however, I do know that lots of people over here just want some form of "papers" so for a lot of folks they would be happy with that. Is this for Isabella? If so then yes I would say it is worth your while registering her as a PB.
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I only do the purebred route now.
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No, not necessarily for Isabella, although I will get her registered as a p/b anyway. I was genuinely just curious as to what you thought and what others did. I suppose it depends on what you eventually want to do with them.
 
Oh Golly I'm very much still learning Enfys! So only 'hot' in the sense of very keen to learn more!

Looks like a fab pedigree to me, though! Mainly Crabbet/Old English lines, with a bit of Spanish and a dash of Egyptian and Polish. Some wonderful horses in there, anyway!

If you want a proper analysis of this pedigree, join the Arabian Lines website forum and post the pedigree on a thread entitled 'Tail Female Line...' - ask the resident pedigree expert there, called 'Egbert', and she will tell you all about this mare.
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Htobago; thank you very much for the information.
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Can I ask you a question; roughly how much would this 12 year old mare (14.2hh) cost in the UK? A guess would be good enough.
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Enfys, in the UK breeding meant nothing to me - I bought the horse who did the job. It's not like that over here though; because I sell horses I know that they have to be registered to be able to get good money for them.....AND the bonus is that they ALL do the job into the bargain; so it's a win-win situation.
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Htobago; thank you very much for the information.
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Can I ask you a question; roughly how much would this 12 year old mare (14.2hh) cost in the UK? A guess would be good enough.
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Oh dear - that's a bit of a 'how long is a piece of string' question!
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Would really need to see a pic even to make a wild guess. Her breeding would be more 'unusual' over here, of course - the more recent horses in her pedigree, I mean, which might make a difference.

Do you have a pic you could post? Also, it would depend on whether she were being sold for riding or as a show/broodmare - has she had any foals; has she been shown at all? Just from the pedigree I can't tell if she is 'show quality' or not, and obviously that would affect her value.

Sorry - I'm really not being much help, am I?
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Question for you Tia, would, say, a registered part-bred Arab (for example) count in your book as as registered or not? Just curious.

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Can I just add, Axel for example is a registered part bred Arab, but I know the breeding of his non arab parent (his dam) as I bought him from the stud and saw her, but it is not shown on his passport anywhere. I assume it would be worth me getting his passport overstamped with the SHB (GB) to show his dams breeding just in case I want to sell him in the future?
Would that be likely to put people off if I didn't? TBH his dam has very good breeding and probably more 'desirable' than his pure Arab sire
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I'll try to get a photo of her - actually I think I have one somewhere as I bought one of my horses from this lady and I believe in one of her photos she sent me, had this mare in...although it may just have been a crumby background one.

I don't really know much about her to be honest; just that they are selling and I have a buyer. I think she is asking too much but then I don't deal in Arabs normally so I'm not too sure what the going price is.

Thank you for your help though.
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I doubt it would put most people off in England; but it sure does over here......certainly where QH's or Paints are concerned there is a flat top-price if they aren't registered and the difference in price between one not registered and one, of the same age and experience, who has lovely breeding and is registered is from 2 - 5 times the price.
 
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