ASBOS

[Ereiam_jh]

The news that LACS are joining forces with the police and the CPS to wage a war against hunts using ASBOS is deeply disturbing.

http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayN...mp;more_nodeId1=145789&contentPK=16250512

ASBOS circumvent normal legal procedures. They can be obtained due to behgaviour whose criminality has never been proved. Breaking an ASBO can land you in jail. Essentially they allow the courts to make up criminal law on the spot. An ASBO has been served preventiong someone from going near bridges.

Following the failure of the Hunting Act to stop hunts LACS are now planning to use this highly dubious legal device to attack a minority group.

We are sub contracting law and order to a tiny minority group with an agenda of hatred against a minority.

 

[Fairynuff]

Anti that I am, I find this disturbing. Breaking the hunting law isnt the most henious crime that I can think of.Have they got nothing better to do like, nab shoplifters? I think this is exagerating a bit. The hunts should counteract this by hunting within the law at ALL times. Its getting bloody ridiculous. M. PS, Merry Christmas Giles and may all your deer run fleet of foot. XX

 

[Ereiam_jh]

"he hunts should counteract this by hunting within the law at ALL times."

Fair enough. But even if they do stick to the law LACS are going to start serving ASBOs on them. ASBOs allow the courts to effectively make up personalised tailor made laws on the spot that you can be imprisoned for breaking.

If they are successful LACS will get ASBOs preventing individuals from riding to hounds.

Happy Christmas to you to Mairi.

 

[Fairynuff]

What your saying, is that a crime can be tailor made for you?????? :shocked: M.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

That's exactly what ASBOs are. A classic example is an ASBO served on a woman forbidding her to go near bridges because she kept jumping off them.

There's no law against going near bridges except for this woman. If she goes near a bridge she can get sent to jail for breaking her ASBO.

If LACS are successful we will see ASBOs against individuals riding to hounds. If they do ride to hounds they will be sent to jail.

"Dealing with Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBO’s)—civil orders banning an individual from certain behaviour—the report notes that these have increased dramatically from 200 in 1999-2000 to 2,600 in the first nine months of 2004. Many of these are served on children as young as 10.

The report states, “The ease of obtaining such orders, the broad range of prohibited behaviour, the publicity surrounding their imposition and the serious consequences of breach all give rise to concerns.” The ASBO is a civil order, but “the House of Lords has confirmed that the standard of proof applicable for the determination of anti-social behaviour is the criminal standard of proof—which is to say beyond reasonable doubt.”

As well as criticising the fact that ASBOs are generally meted out as a punishment far out of proportion to the supposed “crime” committed, the commissioner also states his disapproval at the punishment doled out to those who breach an ASBO. This can be up to five years in prison, which he describes as “an extremely heavy punishment for behaviour that is not recognisably criminal.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/brit-a01.shtml

 

[Fairynuff]

Im gobsmacked and I dont think Ill be coming home for a long long time.I thought Italy was bad, but..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shocked: :crazy: M.

 

[CARREG]

If this is the case then surely pro hunt organisations will be able to get ASBOS made up for people who disrupt legal activities such as shooting fishing and hunting.........Carreg

 

[wombat]

what will they do next... can't they just leave us alone.. GOD!

 

[celt]

Is this scare mongering or what, Anti Social Banning Orders (A.S.B.O.) Crime Related Banning Orders (C.R.A.S.B.O.) were primarily brought in to combat the problems caused by youths with nothing better to do than harass their community. This has been a success story from the start; many of our problem communities have seen a dramatic improvement as a direct result and it chokes me to say that this has been one of the government few success stories.
I agree that these new bits of legislation are far reaching and could well affect the hunting community but equally it could affect those that oppose you. So the moral of the story is ‘keep within the law’.