mle22
Well-Known Member
Personally I can't see anything wrong with it.
Astounded disappointed RSPCA
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touchstone
Well-Known Member
That is a totally incorrect assumption to make, in my and I suspect many others cases, it is due to personal experiences, hunting doesn't come into it.
Paris1
Well-Known Member
Disgraceful. And in my opinion indefensible.
Ladydragon
Well-Known Member
You'll have to teach me that trick... The one that allows you to know why someone might post about the RSPCA and how to use that to determine their view on fox hunting...
You may be right about the first bit... I haven't looked... But, they might have been able to find a way around it or gifted it to the brother (or any other siblings)... I agree, using the correct legal gumpf doesn't automatically ensure a judge can't overturn something... But, I'm just of the mind if you can't comply with the terms of a gift, don't take it to ride roughshod over the wishes of the donor... Others might not agree but I think it's a pretty low thing to do...
He died in 2007 so if it hasn't gone to hell in that time, unless the RSPCA had a 24hr guard on the property or the neighbours have had years of anti social goings on there or been keeping an eye on the place themselves - I'd guess it isn't being abused...
QUICKFIRE
Well-Known Member
Oh my!!!! wasn't it you who accused me of being "SPITEFULL" is a previous post of mine!
awaits an apology, but won't hold my breath!! The RSPCA are failing!! and have been for a long while..
jumpthemoon
Well-Known Member
Disgraceful 
Fenris
Well-Known Member
Think the case you mean was Christine Gill
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arents-decision-leave-2m-fortune-animals.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-12161833
Can't find it right now, but one of the articles told how Christine had to go to an auction of the house contents and bid for her own childhood toys and family memorabilia because the RSPCA were so intransigent , determined to get absolutely everything they believed was due to them.
The other notable case was the Sharp/Mason case. About a house and inheritance tax, not agricultural land.
http://www.stepjournal.org/news/news/secondary_news/rspca_wins_sharp_appeal.aspx
http://privateclient.practicallaw.com/5-505-5848?q=&qp=&qo=&qe=
Fenris
Well-Known Member
Please don't forget that there is a petition for a Charities Ombudsman. If you feel you can support it please sign and share:
Note that it only accepts one signature per e-mail address but it is easy to create a Hotmail, Google or Yahoo e-mail for the purposes of this if several family members share the same e-mail adddress.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/645
Create a Charities Ombudsman
Responsible department: Cabinet Office
This petition calls on the government to create a Charities Ombudsman with the power to deal with complaints about charities and the authority to order a charity to provide adequate redress if a complaint is upheld.. The Charity Commission is unable to get involved in a wide range of complaints because they are not within its remit. If a complainant is dissatisfied with the outcome of a Charity's own internal complaints procedure their only remaining option is the legal system. With legal aid being cut drastically this is beyond the reach of the majority of people. Many charities are now running services or even acting as law enforcement agencies, so it is important that they are seen to be properly regulated and to have an effective and objective independent external complaints procedure. We want Parliament to debate this issue.
**************************************************************************************
There is currently a review of the Charities Act 2006.
From below
> Both general questionnaires ask whether charities should pay an annual charge to cover the costs of running the Charity Commission, whether there should be a charities ombudsman and whether charities should be able to pay their trustees.
We hope that the petition and our telling everyone to talk to their MP about the need for a charities ombudsman has had some effect!
They were also calling for evidence on complaints, appeals and redress. Although evidence has closed the petition will still have some influence.
http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/bullet...rities-act/?DCMP=EMC-CONThirdSectorGovernance
Call for evidence from Lord Hodgson for his review of the Charities Act
By Kaye Wiggins, Third Sector Online, 10 February 2012
Lord Hodgson
Lord Hodgson
Charities and the public are asked about the number of charities, accountability and pubiic benefit
Questionnaires issued today by the Office for Civil Society as part of the review of the Charities Act by the Conservative peer Lord Hodgson ask whether there are too many charities, whether charities are accountable enough to the public and whether there should be a statutory definition of public benefit.
Two general questionnaires - one for charities, one for the public - are supplemented by shorter ones on nine specific areas, including the definition of charity, the role of the Charity Commission and charity mergers.
Both the charity and public questionnaires say: "Some people think that there are too many charities, and that this results in duplication and inefficiency. Is this a problem, and if so what could be done to address it?" They also ask: "Do you believe that charities are sufficiently accountable to the public?"
Both general questionnaires ask whether charities should pay an annual charge to cover the costs of running the Charity Commission, whether there should be a charities ombudsman and whether charities should be able to pay their trustees.
The questionnaire for charities asks: "Do you consider the renewed emphasis on the public benefit requirement, and reporting on public benefit, has been helpful or not?" It also asks whether the £100,000 income threshold above which excepted charities are required to register should be lowered.
Both questionnaires ask whether respondents agree with the statement: "Where a charity charges high fees to provide its services, it should, where possible, make more than minimal provision for those who cannot afford the fees." The Upper Tribunal ruled last year that this should be the case.
The questionnaires also ask whether the functions of a charity regulator should include determining whether institutions are or are not charities and resolving disputes within charities about their governance or activities.
They ask whether self-regulation of fundraising should be compulsory for fundraising charities, and whether there should be "stronger statutory regulation of fundraising".
The questionnaire for the public says: "A practical, non-legal definition of a charity could be a group of individuals who associate together to pursue a charitable aim that benefits the public, in return for which they gain the benefits of charity status (normally registration with the Charity Commission over a certain financial threshold and access to tax exemptions and reliefs) but must follow certain rules and regulations." It asks whether respondents agree with this definition.
The questionnaire on the definition of charity and public benefit asks whether there should be a statutory definition of the public benefit that charities are required to demonstrate under the act.
Further calls for evidence in areas including the self-regulation of fundraising and charity accounting and reporting will be issued over the next two or three weeks, the OCS said.
The questionnaires and calls for evidence, open until 16 April, can be found on the Cabinet Office website. Hodgson will also hold five events at different locations in England and Wales in February and March to discuss the review of the act. The review is due to be completed and laid before parliament before the summer recess.
Also see
https://update.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/charities-act-review-calls-evidence
http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/content/charities-act-review
Note that it only accepts one signature per e-mail address but it is easy to create a Hotmail, Google or Yahoo e-mail for the purposes of this if several family members share the same e-mail adddress.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/645
Create a Charities Ombudsman
Responsible department: Cabinet Office
This petition calls on the government to create a Charities Ombudsman with the power to deal with complaints about charities and the authority to order a charity to provide adequate redress if a complaint is upheld.. The Charity Commission is unable to get involved in a wide range of complaints because they are not within its remit. If a complainant is dissatisfied with the outcome of a Charity's own internal complaints procedure their only remaining option is the legal system. With legal aid being cut drastically this is beyond the reach of the majority of people. Many charities are now running services or even acting as law enforcement agencies, so it is important that they are seen to be properly regulated and to have an effective and objective independent external complaints procedure. We want Parliament to debate this issue.
**************************************************************************************
There is currently a review of the Charities Act 2006.
From below
> Both general questionnaires ask whether charities should pay an annual charge to cover the costs of running the Charity Commission, whether there should be a charities ombudsman and whether charities should be able to pay their trustees.
We hope that the petition and our telling everyone to talk to their MP about the need for a charities ombudsman has had some effect!
They were also calling for evidence on complaints, appeals and redress. Although evidence has closed the petition will still have some influence.
http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/bullet...rities-act/?DCMP=EMC-CONThirdSectorGovernance
Call for evidence from Lord Hodgson for his review of the Charities Act
By Kaye Wiggins, Third Sector Online, 10 February 2012
Lord Hodgson
Lord Hodgson
Charities and the public are asked about the number of charities, accountability and pubiic benefit
Questionnaires issued today by the Office for Civil Society as part of the review of the Charities Act by the Conservative peer Lord Hodgson ask whether there are too many charities, whether charities are accountable enough to the public and whether there should be a statutory definition of public benefit.
Two general questionnaires - one for charities, one for the public - are supplemented by shorter ones on nine specific areas, including the definition of charity, the role of the Charity Commission and charity mergers.
Both the charity and public questionnaires say: "Some people think that there are too many charities, and that this results in duplication and inefficiency. Is this a problem, and if so what could be done to address it?" They also ask: "Do you believe that charities are sufficiently accountable to the public?"
Both general questionnaires ask whether charities should pay an annual charge to cover the costs of running the Charity Commission, whether there should be a charities ombudsman and whether charities should be able to pay their trustees.
The questionnaire for charities asks: "Do you consider the renewed emphasis on the public benefit requirement, and reporting on public benefit, has been helpful or not?" It also asks whether the £100,000 income threshold above which excepted charities are required to register should be lowered.
Both questionnaires ask whether respondents agree with the statement: "Where a charity charges high fees to provide its services, it should, where possible, make more than minimal provision for those who cannot afford the fees." The Upper Tribunal ruled last year that this should be the case.
The questionnaires also ask whether the functions of a charity regulator should include determining whether institutions are or are not charities and resolving disputes within charities about their governance or activities.
They ask whether self-regulation of fundraising should be compulsory for fundraising charities, and whether there should be "stronger statutory regulation of fundraising".
The questionnaire for the public says: "A practical, non-legal definition of a charity could be a group of individuals who associate together to pursue a charitable aim that benefits the public, in return for which they gain the benefits of charity status (normally registration with the Charity Commission over a certain financial threshold and access to tax exemptions and reliefs) but must follow certain rules and regulations." It asks whether respondents agree with this definition.
The questionnaire on the definition of charity and public benefit asks whether there should be a statutory definition of the public benefit that charities are required to demonstrate under the act.
Further calls for evidence in areas including the self-regulation of fundraising and charity accounting and reporting will be issued over the next two or three weeks, the OCS said.
The questionnaires and calls for evidence, open until 16 April, can be found on the Cabinet Office website. Hodgson will also hold five events at different locations in England and Wales in February and March to discuss the review of the act. The review is due to be completed and laid before parliament before the summer recess.
Also see
https://update.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/charities-act-review-calls-evidence
http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/content/charities-act-review
indie999
Well-Known Member
oh dear as charming as ever?
rascal
Well-Known Member
No point in trying to defend the RSPCA on here cptrayes, not as long as people refuse to be honest as to why they dislike them...
Open minded + RSPCA just doesn't happen on here sadly
I will be quite happy to tell anyone why i dont like them. They were called to a very old tb in this area, he was literally skin and bone, no fat on him at all, and very stiff. His owner never bothered with him unless it was in front of them. He was rugged and given hay/water by well meaning locals for many years. The rspca was called time after time, year after year and did nothing exept tell her to visit more often, she did for a few days, then went awol again. Instead of taking the horse away he collapsed in the field and had to be pts. Thats not what i call a charity that cares about animals. They did take the owner to court, and she was banned, i know she still has her other horse! Some ban.
Another oustandig fail (one of very many) was the foal we called them about one freezing night in a blizzard, it was only about a month old and we saw it when we caught the mare on one of the local roads. The mare was ok but the foal was shivering and there was no shelter exept bare trees. when the owners came to open the gate to let the mare in we pointed out the shivering foal and said she wouldnt last until morning unless she was dried off and warmed up, but they didnt seem concerned so we called the rspca. We told them it was a coloured foal about a month old and that we didnt think it would make it until morning. They promised to come that night but didnt, the foal died, hubby and i saw where it had melted the snow, its boddy had been dragged to the gate and i saw them load it on to a 4x4!! If i had known they wouldnt go i would have dried and rugged the foal myself. The owners lied and showed them a totally different foal that was a different colour and a few months older. Is it really any wonder i have no faith in them???
horseandshoes77
Well-Known Member
No point in trying to defend the RSPCA on here cptrayes, not as long as people refuse to be honest as to why they dislike them...
Open minded + RSPCA just doesn't happen on here sadly
Why i dislike them....i watched them stick a notice to say ill be back on the 12 mtre by 12mtre allotment housing 2 horses...was total mud and both horses extremely thin...2 days later they returned...owners had by then bought 2 sacks of pony nuts and had half a dozen bales of hay...i got a phone call from the rspca saying an officer had been out and had i not heard of starvation paddocks...the owners were just keeping the horses there as they had suffered lami lol...iv been in field at top of this place for 30 years shes been there 10 of them ...the 2 horses have been there 4 years slowly getting worse and worse...i new they would do nothing unless the horses were thin!(she had been reported before but horses werent thin enough!!!!) lots of us nearby throw hay in but this one winter he was severly under weight....however the rspca did not contact any vets to check(i nw these horses would never have had lami as 1...we have same vet and 2 they have never been aloud more than 1 slice at 11 am and one slice at 4pm of hay) so now i think they are a heap of sh..e!! On another note a foal maybe 3-4 months old tethered by main road..reported as was distressed tangled up in rope and no water out....five days later foal still there and still no signs of water! well getting to be an essay now but could go on and on...my neighbour however left their dog when they moved...dog was seen to instantly, one day no water they were sh.t hot...so maybe its just horses are too much money to keep treat etc when taken in ?
