PippiPony
Chocolatier and Greyhound lover
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8382072.stm
To be banned in 2010
Due to 20 horse deaths in 2 years.
To be banned in 2010
Due to 20 horse deaths in 2 years.
Australian state of Victoria bans jump racing
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Hedgewitch13
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Admirable to take such a stand but what is going to happen to the jump TBs? Will the owners get compensation for what really is now a 'useless' animal (in their eyes, not mine!). I don't know how easily they can be rehomed in Australia - anyone care to enlighten me please?
ladyt25
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Probably means they'll end up being destroyed. How lovely!
Either that or they'll have to go/be sold to trainers in S Australia but for how long?
Nobody lieks to see animals injured/killed but this doesn't seem to hav been thought through really does it.
Either that or they'll have to go/be sold to trainers in S Australia but for how long?
Nobody lieks to see animals injured/killed but this doesn't seem to hav been thought through really does it.
Hedgewitch13
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That's true - I'd forgotten it was only one state that had banned it.
gg68
Well-Known Member
I wonder if the jumps are unsuitable and causing the, falls or break downs.
A few years ago, the British fences were a bit upright and novices used to fall.
Look at them now better sloped with a big apron of brush on the front and the hurdles are well covered in orange foam, even though I would prefer to see more brush on the top or lower timber struts.
I wonder if Australian accidents are on one particular racecourse, is it the going? Do hope that they have done a lot of research, cos its a massive step backwards.
A few years ago, the British fences were a bit upright and novices used to fall.
Look at them now better sloped with a big apron of brush on the front and the hurdles are well covered in orange foam, even though I would prefer to see more brush on the top or lower timber struts.
I wonder if Australian accidents are on one particular racecourse, is it the going? Do hope that they have done a lot of research, cos its a massive step backwards.
3BayGeldings
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Huh, well i certainly hope no one else copies them
JanetGeorge
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That's true - I'd forgotten it was only one state that had banned it.
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It was stopped in New South Wales years ago - and I'm not sure when in Queensland.
But Victoria and South Australia were the big 'jumps racing' States and I think this is a crazy decision - plays right into the hands of the A.R. lobby who won't be happy until ALL racing is finished.
Given the number of hurdle/steeplechase races in Victoria, the number of deaths - while obviously sad and regrettable - is 'insignificant'. I'll be a LOT more horses die in flat races - and a lot more horses die in track accidents!
The suggestion that they'll promote high weight 2 milers to ease the transition is a joke. They'll go down like a lead balloon with race-goers (being about as exciting as watching paint dry in most cases!)
Racing in Australia was only jUST starting to recover after the big 'flu outbreak. Several 'big' trainers (and lots more smaller ones) have had to shut down because the recession means fewer owners.
Sadly, there's a VERY limited market for these horses. Years ago, the best of them were snapped up by people looking for cheap showjumpers/eventers as the purpose-bred horses just weren't available. Best horse I ever owned was a broken down hurdler who wasn't fast enough to win a race over hurdles, probably WOULD have won 'chasing but wasn't sound enough. He ended up being one of the very top showjumpers in Australia - but he was a hell of a difficult horse to ride. I paid Aust.$300 for him - about meat money at the time.
And - at the time (and probably to this day) his alternative was a slow boat to Japan - stuffed with food on the way (the Japanese like their horse meat on the fatty side), no exercise, and arriving foundered and hardly able to walk!!
To 'save' no more than a dozen horses - well-cared for and doing a job they love until an accident happens - this ruling will sentence hundred of horses a year to a VERY uncertain future - or a painful NON-future!
That's true - I'd forgotten it was only one state that had banned it.
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It was stopped in New South Wales years ago - and I'm not sure when in Queensland.
But Victoria and South Australia were the big 'jumps racing' States and I think this is a crazy decision - plays right into the hands of the A.R. lobby who won't be happy until ALL racing is finished.
Given the number of hurdle/steeplechase races in Victoria, the number of deaths - while obviously sad and regrettable - is 'insignificant'. I'll be a LOT more horses die in flat races - and a lot more horses die in track accidents!
The suggestion that they'll promote high weight 2 milers to ease the transition is a joke. They'll go down like a lead balloon with race-goers (being about as exciting as watching paint dry in most cases!)
Racing in Australia was only jUST starting to recover after the big 'flu outbreak. Several 'big' trainers (and lots more smaller ones) have had to shut down because the recession means fewer owners.
Sadly, there's a VERY limited market for these horses. Years ago, the best of them were snapped up by people looking for cheap showjumpers/eventers as the purpose-bred horses just weren't available. Best horse I ever owned was a broken down hurdler who wasn't fast enough to win a race over hurdles, probably WOULD have won 'chasing but wasn't sound enough. He ended up being one of the very top showjumpers in Australia - but he was a hell of a difficult horse to ride. I paid Aust.$300 for him - about meat money at the time.
And - at the time (and probably to this day) his alternative was a slow boat to Japan - stuffed with food on the way (the Japanese like their horse meat on the fatty side), no exercise, and arriving foundered and hardly able to walk!!
To 'save' no more than a dozen horses - well-cared for and doing a job they love until an accident happens - this ruling will sentence hundred of horses a year to a VERY uncertain future - or a painful NON-future!
tiggerette
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hear hear!! - what will happen to all the racers who are too slow for the flat now? Didn't think the Aussies were so PC!
SusieT
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I have no issue with it. If it's causing that many horse deaths and they cannot see a way to rectify it I think it is reasonable. There's no pressing need to jump race.
stencilface
High upon a hillside
I just don't get this. 20 horses in two years? I know thats obviously not ideal, but do people not realise how many horses will be pts every day due to field accidents and other injuries?
I think jump horses have far better lives than flat horses fwiw, the good ones come out year after year after year - which must go to show that they like the job and are very well looked after in the off season, and trained well.
Don't understand why the aussies are so bothered about 20 horses dying or being pts in a quick and humane way when they routinely cull their brumbies from helicopters which imho, is far worse
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22733074-421,00.html
I think jump horses have far better lives than flat horses fwiw, the good ones come out year after year after year - which must go to show that they like the job and are very well looked after in the off season, and trained well.
Don't understand why the aussies are so bothered about 20 horses dying or being pts in a quick and humane way when they routinely cull their brumbies from helicopters which imho, is far worse
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22733074-421,00.html
KarynK
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I have no issue with it. If it's causing that many horse deaths and they cannot see a way to rectify it I think it is reasonable. There's no pressing need to jump race.
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Do you have a horse? if so Do you jump it? Do you ride it on a road? Do you turn it out with others?
If you do then it is not at much more risk of a life threatening injury than a racehorse. More than 20 horses a year die from accidents hacking, jumping or being kicked in a field. And a damn site more forest ponies are killed by cars in 2 years! Oh and if this happens that horse suffers terribly from it's injury as you do not have a vet waiting by you at a show, following you when hacking or watching your horse in a field do you? I know of a horse turned out that went five hours with a smashed foreleg before someone had it PTS, that would not happen to these horses! Nor would they have to bleed to death following a car accident on a remote country lane!
Like Janet pointed out flat horses are just as much at risk of injury as are jumpers principally because of the age at which they start training, would you have all those die as well?
So jump racing is banned are you actually saying that you have no issue with a 1,000 or so horses in training or breeding facing a cruel end at the hands of the meat trade or ignorant people that will "save" some of them from that fate?? It would take years for the 20 or so that die to add up to that sum.
I have no issue with it. If it's causing that many horse deaths and they cannot see a way to rectify it I think it is reasonable. There's no pressing need to jump race.
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Do you have a horse? if so Do you jump it? Do you ride it on a road? Do you turn it out with others?
If you do then it is not at much more risk of a life threatening injury than a racehorse. More than 20 horses a year die from accidents hacking, jumping or being kicked in a field. And a damn site more forest ponies are killed by cars in 2 years! Oh and if this happens that horse suffers terribly from it's injury as you do not have a vet waiting by you at a show, following you when hacking or watching your horse in a field do you? I know of a horse turned out that went five hours with a smashed foreleg before someone had it PTS, that would not happen to these horses! Nor would they have to bleed to death following a car accident on a remote country lane!
Like Janet pointed out flat horses are just as much at risk of injury as are jumpers principally because of the age at which they start training, would you have all those die as well?
So jump racing is banned are you actually saying that you have no issue with a 1,000 or so horses in training or breeding facing a cruel end at the hands of the meat trade or ignorant people that will "save" some of them from that fate?? It would take years for the 20 or so that die to add up to that sum.