BA to serve Halal only meals !

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Come on you lot get your letter writing hats on ! - the numpties at BA are considering using a firm that will supply halal only meals - why to stop (the majority now i suppose) of folks complaing - FGS its called British Airways......

I am appalled - the halal method of slaughter need residing to the histroy books and the UK should ban it - and if the folks dont like it - well they should have two choices go veggie or sod off!
 
Did KFC not do a trial and take pork or somthing off one of its burgers..... and the natives protested and also the halal eaters protested as the pray was said over a tannoy and the branch got closed (he he he!)

The more places that go the Halal route the more i think of becoming a veggie - i understand the original reasons for doing the act in this matter - but dont the EU insist that all animals must be stunned prior to slaughter.... except for halal meet or what's the other one cosha?
 
This makes my blood boil!!

However, it's not actually British Airways - though they are such an easy target it's been headlined in the press that it's BA. It's actually Gate Gourmet who supply the meals and the reason for considering it is purely down to cost. Airlines offer Halal meals and they have to be pre-ordered. This costs more money. Gate Gourmet are saying if they made all meals Halal it would save them quite a lot of money. It wouldn't just affect BA, it would affect many Airlines.

Now here's the thing. This would be forcing everyone to eat Halal. If you fly on Emirates for example, all meals are Halal, so you don't get a choice. They don't offer a non Halal meat option - you'd have to order vegetarian.

Why oh why is this country so weak? Personally I think this slaughter method should be banned in the UK anyway. Let's hope Gate Gourmet do the right thing here and keep with having options rather than forcing British people into eating meat slaughtered to other religious standards.

A few years ago loads of sheep were nicked. They were found in a big barn being slaughtered for Halal meat.
 
Its days like this i wish i were FRENCH!!!!! - they would not pussy foot around this lot would they?

FGS if i went to saudi I would not be allowed to wear a mini skirt, drink vodka and have a snog.... "oh i am a christian i would cry - here is my cross..... you are picking on little old me.... i should have my rights!" - off with my head would be the answer and i wish this country would do the ruddy same! - anyway at this rate we will soon be a minority (we probably already are)... maybe we will get a few rights then!
 
Gingerwitch said:
Its days like this i wish i were FRENCH!!!!! - they would not pussy foot around this lot would they?

FGS if i went to saudi I would not be allowed to wear a mini skirt, drink vodka and have a snog.... "oh i am a christian i would cry - here is my cross..... you are picking on little old me.... i should have my rights!" - off with my head would be the answer and i wish this country would do the ruddy same! - anyway at this rate we will soon be a minority (we probably already are)... maybe we will get a few rights then!
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Brilliant! I totally agree.
 
I think you will find a lot of 'mass' catering companies already use halal for school meals etc etc It isn't widely publicised because at the end of the day it tastes no different but makes life easier for them in places where there is a high demand for halal. They only have to cook one dish and label the halal ones and everyones happy - simples.:)

Whether you like it or realise it you have probably been halal for years.:)
 
Just out of interest, where did you find this out? I work for BA and can't find anything about it on our company internal web. Even typing in Gate Gourmet doesn't bring it up. Its not just a Daily Mail story or something is it?

I'm totally against Halal too. The best thing everyone can do is order a vegi meal - stating why, it will cost them a fortune and they will probably change their minds. Most "normal people" don't even know what halal meat involves - they just think its blessed...
 
Google 'British Airways Halal'
It's on many websites. Yes the Daily Mail is one of them but it's also on places like the BNP website, Financial Times, various forums, facebook, and pro-Halal websites.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Come on you lot get your letter writing hats on ! - the numpties at BA are considering using a firm that will supply halal only meals - why to stop (the majority now i suppose) of folks complaing - FGS its called British Airways......

I am appalled - the halal method of slaughter need residing to the histroy books and the UK should ban it - and if the folks dont like it - well they should have two choices go veggie or sod off!
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While I wouldn't want to 'dis' anyone's religion I totally agree with Gingerwitch. The halal method of slaughter is appalling and research in it has shown that it can take an adult cow 2.5 minutes to die through blood loss, which is fine if the animal is stunned first (as it renders it unconcious) but some halal places refuse to stun. Imagine being hung upside down whilst the lifeblood literally drains out of you not to mention the pain.

Well done Gingerwitch for putting your point of view across so expertly. x:eek:
 
Gingerwitch said:
Come on you lot get your letter writing hats on ! - the numpties at BA are considering using a firm that will supply halal only meals - why to stop (the majority now i suppose) of folks complaing - FGS its called British Airways......

I am appalled - the halal method of slaughter need residing to the histroy books and the UK should ban it - and if the folks dont like it - well they should have two choices go veggie or sod off!
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Further to my previous reply please do not read this if you are squeamish or easily upset. But if you possibly can try to. There are no nasty photos or anything. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-5349411-stop-this-ritual-slaughter.do

Apparently the 'art' of scechita is worse. I think this is the non stunning method. My ex was a slaughterman who came over from Ireland to work. He'd been slaughtering animals over there for four years and was hardened to various sights. He found employment at a halal meat factory in the centre of Birmingham (when I was a delivery driver and used to pass through this particular area I used to see lorries of terrified sheep be delivered to this place to await slaughter.) He lasted less than a week and then walked. What he told me will always stay between him and me. But here was a grown man who was not in the slightest bit sentimental towards killing animals humanely in floods of tears relating the stories of what he had seen whilst working there. I am all for eating meat, I love my lamb and steak in particular but I would never knowingly eat halal.
 
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There's no place for halal in this country its truly barbaric and should be left in the pages of history, Mind you so is stoning people to death and its still done in islamic countries too.

Support your local independant butcher and always ask how his meat is killed and where it's sourced from.

So many things in this country are being taken over by foreign laws it makes me glad to be old and heading into my twilight years.
 
So? They've been serving kosher meals for donkeys years.
My dad worked in slaughter houses for years and has seen halal killings with his own eyes (they had their own special section, ironically the halal sections now inhabit the spaces where the kosher slaughter areas once were :p ) and in his opinion the kill is as quick as western methods.

If you don't like animals dying for your consumption, don't eat meat, I've heard plenty of horror stories about our methods too.

But anyhoo, back to the hysteria....
 
CaveCanem said:
So? They've been serving kosher meals for donkeys years.
My dad worked in slaughter houses for years and has seen halal killings with his own eyes (they had their own special section, ironically the halal sections now inhabit the spaces where the kosher slaughter areas once were :p ) and in his opinion the kill is as quick as western methods.

If you don't like animals dying for your consumption, don't eat meat, I've heard plenty of horror stories about our methods too.

But anyhoo, back to the hysteria....
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I think there is a clear distinction between stunning and not stunning an animal and wouldn't say people are adding to hysteria by voicing their opinions about this, but having said that I am thoroughly bored of the 'wind plaits/thieves plaiting manes in order to 'mark' horses to steal' hysteria so I hear what you are saying.
 
Sorry but for me the a major part of the issue is this - the UK follow all the EU directives laid down like stupid little sheep - but the one about stunning animals before slaughter..... well some of our alternate faith inports dont like this method ...... so we will ignore this one !

Look we either follow EU directives or we dont! - we waste millions on the gravy train rolling out of brussels - and have comparimised UK LTD because of this - its time we stood up and got counted... what was the old saying ? when in rome? well it ought to be amended - when in the UK do what you like, get milked by all and sundray and if you are a true English, Scottish, Irish or Welshman - then get back to work and earn some more money for us beurocrats (sp) to waste - oh and we may as well have all been sent to the lions for the good our OWN counry has done us!
 
Surely the most sensible thing to do on British based airlines would be to charge extra for Halal meals to cover the increased costs?

Our country irritates me sometimes.... increasingly so as time goes on. Whether this is just due to my increased knowledge of current affairs though I don't know.
 
Standards in UK slaughterhouses/meat plants etc are among the best in Europe, whatever the method of slaughter. It's not perfect, but it's sure better than a lot of other places.

There are no extra charges for speciality meals as far as I know, but you do have to pre-order them. I eat veggie on flights, although I am not a vegetarian. Easy enough to do.
 
CaveCanem said:
There are no extra charges for speciality meals as far as I know, but you do have to pre-order them. I eat veggie on flights, although I am not a vegetarian. Easy enough to do.
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It wouldn't appear that veggie meals cost as much as Halal though or they would have started only serving vegetarian meals years ago!

Bet if/when they serve only Halal meals they will charge extra for "normal" meat in meals.

I think that any establishments serving/selling Halal meat should have it clearly marked so people are aware.
 
slinkyunicorn said:
Well it is a safe bet to say that the meat in every curry house/take away any of you have eaten has been made with halal meat - or maybe you don't eat curry.:)

As I said in my earlier post catering companies have been using halal meat for ages it makes it easier for them.:)
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Indeed - people, find out where all the meat on your plates or in your sandwiches, comes from! Or don't eat it at all.
I quite fancy a kebab!
 
Queenbee87 said:
It wouldn't appear that veggie meals cost as much as Halal though or they would have started only serving vegetarian meals years ago!

Bet if/when they serve only Halal meals they will charge extra for "normal" meat in meals.

I think that any establishments serving/selling Halal meat should have it clearly marked so people are aware.
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If that was a rationale then restaurants would only serve vegetarian meals.

I don't think head meat, er, sausages and chips, costs more than kebab and chips, does it?
Chicken doesn't say 'stunned, dunked, throats slit, bled out' but that's what happens to them....
 
slinkyunicorn said:
Well it is a safe bet to say that the meat in every curry house/take away any of you have eaten has been made with halal meat - or maybe you don't eat curry.:)

As I said in my earlier post catering companies have been using halal meat for ages it makes it easier for them.:)
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I probably have eaten it yes (don't like curry but am partial to chinese food) but that doesn't mean I agree with it......

Who knows, I may have eaten dog, cat or rat unknowingly too!
 
slinkyunicorn said:
Well it is a safe bet to say that the meat in every curry house/take away any of you have eaten has been made with halal meat - or maybe you don't eat curry.:)

As I said in my earlier post catering companies have been using halal meat for ages it makes it easier for them.:)
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I won't eat meat curries in a curry house I will only have a mushroom balti because I do not agree with halal. As for kebab's our local chippy serves non halal meat (or so they tell me). I didn't know about KFC although I have tried to stop eating it recently as I volunteer for the British Hen Welfare Trust who help rescue and rehome battery hens through their network of coordinators who work alongside farmers to help rehome hens destined for slaughter at the end of their egg production life. - Sorry can't help myself, always preaching about the excellent work they do!! The vast majority of hens end their lives as 'the colonels special recipe'.
 
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I'm starving now!!!
Yes, have seen the chickens which go to KFC, and the chickens which go to M&S. There's a big difference (believe it or not, pre slaughterhouse, my dad was in hatcheries and broiler houses...handy sort to have around for this sort of discussion :p !)
 
I'm so glad we have our own chickens for eggs and meat - good to know they have had a good life...

All the meat we buy is from the butcher who sources locally so we know exactly which farm it comes from. We are getting a piglet tomorrow farm all the pork comes from - dead excited! Its a gloucester old spot x saddleback.
 
We have had weak goverment of both main parties that for years says what we want to hear while doing the exact opposit, like bending over backward to acommodate everyone but the average Briton, remember we are now ruled by brussels and soon it will be islam
Halal is just one part of the islamifcation of the west, a steady drip drip drip towards sharia law and then stoning people, They wil not rest untill we have been conqured...
 
The point is that there is a big difference between curry houses etc serving Halal and British airlines offering no alternative. At least you have a choice with the curry house (you go or you don't go!!) but if you go on holiday you should not have to choose vegetarian to avoid meat slaughtered to meet Islamic religious belief. If it's a carrier like Emirates then fine because it's an airline based overseas.

As for the whole don't eat meat comment. I have no issue with slaughtering animals for meat if the slaughter is as humane as it can be. Halal methods aren't. Why on earth is there an 'allowance' outwith OUR law for it?? This country ought to grow a backbone and say put up or **** off.

I have eaten Halal - because I have flown with Emirates (and my choice was based on the aircraft type they flew on that route!). I suspect I will have at other times as well unknowingly but I do buy all my meat from butcher which is local and all slaughtered via stunning first. I also buy free range. I am open to other cultures however, I firmly believe that we should not have to change things in this way in this country. It wouldn't happen overseas for us, so why the other way round?

Money I guess. Money and religious conflict are pretty much to blame for everything negative is this world. That's a bold statement I know.
 
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