AmyMay
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Has / does anyone use them.
Am thinking about introducing them to Thumper. Thoughts???
Am thinking about introducing them to Thumper. Thoughts???
Baileys No. 4 - Top Line Conditioning Cubes
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ihatework
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Great feed. I used them on my old horse, came to me as a boxwalking hatrack and left looking great.
sfward
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Ditto Ben_and_Jerrys. although i tried the high oil supplement and less impressed with that - sent him loopy!!
zigzag
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Are they heating?
AmyMay
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Are they heating?
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According to the Baileys web site - no.
But would be interested to know if people did find it heating.......
Are they heating?
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According to the Baileys web site - no.
But would be interested to know if people did find it heating.......
vhf
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Made one of mine go ballistic - and he was normally a dope on a rope. Other people swore by them - hence I'd tried them!
Switched to Spillers ones, and they were fine, friend said hers had gone mad on them and that's why she'd used No 4!
Now use an "own brand" made by Saracen, fantastic on 3 very different beasties. Sister with a nutcase found the only thing that worked for her was A & P Calm and Condition.
Switched to Spillers ones, and they were fine, friend said hers had gone mad on them and that's why she'd used No 4!
Now use an "own brand" made by Saracen, fantastic on 3 very different beasties. Sister with a nutcase found the only thing that worked for her was A & P Calm and Condition.
ihatework
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well my 17hh TB eventer didn't heat up on them
ETS - Have known a few others fed them with no problems.
ETS - Have known a few others fed them with no problems.
Foxglove
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I have used them on a variety of different horses over a 10 year period. They are fantastic but I have recently found Dengie Alfa Beet and Alfa Oil produce as good if not better results (Alfa Beet is a couple of pounds cheeper as well), but always keep a bag of baileys in just in case I up the workload etc.
No. 4 are not heating, well never with mine anyway and I have used them on Arabs, Tbs and a rather crazy Argentine Sports Horse who couldn't cope with anything oaty or starchy.
No. 4 are not heating, well never with mine anyway and I have used them on Arabs, Tbs and a rather crazy Argentine Sports Horse who couldn't cope with anything oaty or starchy.
Capriole
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have used dodson and horrell build up with good results on a thin tb, not noticed a change in temperament but shes very placid
AmyMay
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So moving on from all of this - I am thinking about them for Thumper, because whilst he doesn't need weight, he does need condition. However, he is only in light work at the moment (I will know after Wednesday whether this increases or not).
Obviously as his work continues he will start to muscle up. I'm just not sure that grass and pony cubes are going to do it for him though. He has absolutely no top line, and is week through his back and quarters.
I do want to keep away from heating feeds though until I know him better. (It's only been two and a half weeks
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What do people think?
Obviously as his work continues he will start to muscle up. I'm just not sure that grass and pony cubes are going to do it for him though. He has absolutely no top line, and is week through his back and quarters.
I do want to keep away from heating feeds though until I know him better. (It's only been two and a half weeks
What do people think?
Foxglove
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I would certainly give them a go. I have yet to know a horse that has become fizzy on them (however there is always one!)
As long as they are combined with the right work, they really can make a difference. From your description it sounds like they could be the answer.
As long as they are combined with the right work, they really can make a difference. From your description it sounds like they could be the answer.
MagicMelon
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I use No.4 on my slim TB x. He has put on a little bit of weight which is good for him as he usually just stays the same all year round (ie. very slim!) so this is a start! I wouldn't say he's got fizzy on them. I had him on Build Up for a while but it didnt add anything to him. However Build Up was the only one to work for one of my last horses who FINALLY filled out on this feed! So as usual, some things work for some and not others!
Definately give them a go, from the sounds of it he will benefit from them more than just on grass / pony nuts. My only problem with them is that according to the bag I should be feeding at least 3 of my scoops full a day but my horse is picky as hell so I can only just persuade him to eat 2 scoops (split into 2 feeds) a day! I tried giving him another scoop for lunch but then he doesnt eat dinner.....!!
Definately give them a go, from the sounds of it he will benefit from them more than just on grass / pony nuts. My only problem with them is that according to the bag I should be feeding at least 3 of my scoops full a day but my horse is picky as hell so I can only just persuade him to eat 2 scoops (split into 2 feeds) a day! I tried giving him another scoop for lunch but then he doesnt eat dinner.....!!
xxcharlottexx
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I personally prefered and got better results from spiilers conditioning cubes,
As MM said, the reccomended givent amount was huge and as he was onlt in light work i didnt want to give it all too him, incase he did go loopy (him already being a lightly stressy TB over the winter)
Some of the horses at the RS i help out at are on them though, and they seem to work for them
As MM said, the reccomended givent amount was huge and as he was onlt in light work i didnt want to give it all too him, incase he did go loopy (him already being a lightly stressy TB over the winter)
Some of the horses at the RS i help out at are on them though, and they seem to work for them
sleepingdragon10
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So moving on from all of this - I am thinking about them for Thumper, because whilst he doesn't need weight, he does need condition. However, he is only in light work at the moment (I will know after Wednesday whether this increases or not).
Obviously as his work continues he will start to muscle up. I'm just not sure that grass and pony cubes are going to do it for him though. He has absolutely no top line, and is week through his back and quarters.
I do want to keep away from heating feeds though until I know him better. (It's only been two and a half weeks
)
What do people think?
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Have you thought about using something like Fibrebeet? I use this with Lux(combined with oats) and he's looking marvellous atm. No change in his temperament at all(took him off the Stud Mix as he was getting abit porky on it).
So moving on from all of this - I am thinking about them for Thumper, because whilst he doesn't need weight, he does need condition. However, he is only in light work at the moment (I will know after Wednesday whether this increases or not).
Obviously as his work continues he will start to muscle up. I'm just not sure that grass and pony cubes are going to do it for him though. He has absolutely no top line, and is week through his back and quarters.
I do want to keep away from heating feeds though until I know him better. (It's only been two and a half weeks
What do people think?
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Have you thought about using something like Fibrebeet? I use this with Lux(combined with oats) and he's looking marvellous atm. No change in his temperament at all(took him off the Stud Mix as he was getting abit porky on it).
virtual
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We use them a lot, but mainly for weight rather than for topline (I know the name suggests they give topline, but it seems to only do that if combined with weight gain), however Blue Chip or Top Spec balencers seem fantastic at giving topline and not so much weight.
zigzag
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Sorry AmyMay, I sort of took it off topic asking if they were heating
druid
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I've used them - got ok results but found D&H Build UP cubes or D&H Barley rings (BRs added to existing feed) gave much better results
Ferdinase514
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I've used them with no probs, but to feed in a good quantity they are rather expensive. I swapped to soya oil this year and got very good results condition wise, with no loopiness
Madam_max
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Really??? I would have thought that feed wouldn't give topline, I would have thought this would come through work.
kildalton
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I agree, there's a world of difference between topline and a fat crest !
AmyMay
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Many thanks for all your input - I think I will start off with the Baileys and see how we get on.
MM and Kildalton - yes you are correct, top line and correct musculature does come from work - however, in order to achieve these you do need to feed the horse appropriately.
My horse is seriously lacking in muscle - and in order to help build it I need to feed it. And as I said previously I don't think that pony cubes and grass will support his nutrional requirements at this time.
MM and Kildalton - yes you are correct, top line and correct musculature does come from work - however, in order to achieve these you do need to feed the horse appropriately.
My horse is seriously lacking in muscle - and in order to help build it I need to feed it. And as I said previously I don't think that pony cubes and grass will support his nutrional requirements at this time.
kildalton
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My reply wasn't aimed at you, I know you know what you're talking about!
However, I've spoken to so many people that think feeding a type of feed will produce dramatic changes without any of the work that goes into it.
Lucie X
However, I've spoken to so many people that think feeding a type of feed will produce dramatic changes without any of the work that goes into it.
Lucie X
AmyMay
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Ah, my apols Lucie
Madam_max
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lucemoose
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I used them for 6 months, as the recommended levels and with lots of work to increase topline. He stayed roughly the same and just became manic to handle but he is a fruitloop anyway. Tried spillers as well, same results. Last summer I used the C Cubes to keep the weight on, and then added a small amount of the spillers slow release cubes - in the idea that he would use the energy from the spillers , and not waste the benefits of the C cubes by using the energy from them, if that makes sense. I found that approach worked better. Now the beast is on 3 meals a day, (was on DIY before and no one fed lunch so it was un achievable) and adlib haylege and this seems t be the best method.
Tempi
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LMAO - i agree too!!!!
igglepiggle
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I never found them heating but also didn't find them that effective. However, that was probably more due to the rubbish hay and poor turnout my horse received-needless to say I moved him and that improved his condition hugely!
MillionDollar
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Really??? I would have thought that feed wouldn't give topline, I would have thought this would come through work.
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You're right, topline canNOT be achieved through feeding ONLY through correct work I'm afraid.
IMO these feeds that state 'top line conditioning' are a complete and utter con! Most feeds are actually the same and most have the same ingredients.
Really??? I would have thought that feed wouldn't give topline, I would have thought this would come through work.
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You're right, topline canNOT be achieved through feeding ONLY through correct work I'm afraid.
IMO these feeds that state 'top line conditioning' are a complete and utter con! Most feeds are actually the same and most have the same ingredients.
Foxglove
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I agree, feeding alone will not produce 'topline', but feeding a good quality feed like Baileys with the oil content will give more 'condition' than a cheeper more basic feed like pony nuts.
From my original answer, you will note that I put with 'the right work', which I correctly assumed the OP would know / do.
From my original answer, you will note that I put with 'the right work', which I correctly assumed the OP would know / do.