BE SJ'ing vs BSJA SJ'ing

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If BE Novice Sj'ing is 1.15m and Int SJ'ing is 1.25m, why do so many eventers make such a big deal about jumping BSJA Disco or Newcomers
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Is it because the courses at BSJA are more technical, or because there is a JO that will be bigger, or is it to do with the atmosphere ....or is it all just a smokescreen
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Come on BE'ers...fess up.
 
LMAO well YOu wouldnt catch me jumping 1.25m very often
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I occasionally dabble at Novice... but not very often, and those heights i normally forget the course and get eliminated
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Im not sure what you mean as I dont know any eventers who make a big deal out of jumping Discovery, Newcomers. I know a few ic myself that have jumped Novice BE and jumped Newcomers fine BSJA.

I think maybe a jump off could put people off but as I mainly BE I must admit I never "go for it" as such in the jump offs, just cut some corners but always just go for clear.

I cant see why anyone jumping BE Novice or IN's would think twice about jumping a newcomers
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I spose also BSJA there are alot more fences at least 10-12 fences with two doubles.

BE there is usually only 9 fences and one double.

But I cant see that would make much difference
 
for me it's

the courses at BSJA are more technical AND there is a JO that will be bigger AND the atmosphere

I'll jump a natural big fence XC anyday and give me huge hedge and i'm there
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I also think i just don't enough prastice with sj to become confident
 
It's because with eventing its one oxer/upright maximum height in each course so the courses generally at novice start smaller and work up to 1.15 where as a BSJA course you start with 1.10 and only have to jump 1.15 in the jump off.

When i did an intermediate with my old horse, you would never have caught me jumping around a foxhunter becuase i knew a whole track that size would scare the crap out of hime, where as just a couple of fences at the end didnt seem so bad!
 
BSJA is alot bigger than BE at their respective levels. eg. Every fence in a newcomers is up to height where as at BE only 2 or 3 fences are at max and the first few are lower to get you going. There are normally less jumping efforts at BE.
 
Agree with Jacko- BE arent supposed to be all up to max height, only 2 fences so at novice you are only jumping a 1.10 course with poss some slightly higher jumps.
The sjs at BE arent supposed to catch horses out to narrow the field down, their objective is to probve the horse is capable of jumping the xc height obediently and with some care.

I have no qualms with jumping bigger BSJA tracks though, my baby jumped newcomers before going PN and my other horse jumped a couple of 1.25s in his prep for 2*, you wouldnt catch me jumping over 1.25s though unless on something I knew would absolutely never stop!!
 
Too many brightly coloured poles, too many up to height fences, too many fences full stop, endless twists and turns, so too much to remember, water trays, lots of planks, scary 'bling' browbands, numnahs with velveteen trim......
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Oh yes, and I can't afford to affiliate for both so BE it is!
 
Okay....so it seems there are a number of factors that could influence some, and others who just aren't bothered at all.

I didn't realise that not all the fences were upto height at BE either. I can see that building up to things over the course would help. The first fence is often one of the ones I fear most...especially when it's an imposing oxer
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lol! That's definitely my reason, I just don't think diamante would suit Ferdinand..
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I'd love to do BE - never been XC though! Lol, although I think my horse would love it!

A lot of his brothers and sisters event and do well

I'm a sucker for dressing Wig up for jumping, lol

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Some eventers don't find SJ at all scary and probably the easy bit. But SJ is just one of the three disciplines to be fazed by in BE and I guess (although it's hearsay as far as I'm concerned) that a) riders prefer different elements and b) horses do too. Feel free to shoot me down in flames eventers!
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I have to confess... I do love the showjumping!

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Me too!

I guess it is like anything if you have a horse that is good at something you enjoy it.
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for me it is the fact that every fence on a BSJA course has a tendancy to be full up to height and the course more technical. As others have said the first two or even three fences on a BE course will be considerable lower than the maximum height and you know that they are only allowed to build one upright and one oxer at maximum.
 
Sjing is a way to get to the XC, there is no excuse to do pure sjing....
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But seriously, BSJA always look huge, as the fences are wider and better dressed so look more imposing than BE. I am not a big Sjing fan either way, wherever it is, but wouldnt be bothered about jumping the height BSJA aswell as BE
 
I prefer BSJA over BE showjumping for all those reasons but probably because its my horse's fave phase-he thinks he's Milton! However, he is dead quick compared to BSJA horses and that must be from eventing!
 
I don't know, SJAI over here are way more technical, and I think bigger at the same 'height' but since eventing courses at pre-nov certainly are just round the outside, figure of eight and round again, without fail!
 
I do both, I BSJA bigger than I SJ at BE. I started in BSJA before joining BE, and to be honest I was quite shocked at how different BE courses are. They are far easier than BSJA. They are usually all built on nice even strides, on nice easy lines and the heights are very very rarely up to it. The second last novice I did, most of the fences were 1m with only about 3 at 1.10m! Whereas BSJA most of the course is full up height, you have loads of dog-legs etc. Basically I find at BE I dont really have to think about it, I just let my horse float round it.

I personally dont think BE SJ is influential enough. It needs to be a bit more of a test as right now, I think way too much hinges on the damn dressage!
 
Its more influential at Advanced level. All the ones I have been too have been strong tracks and i'm glad I do lots of 1m20 & 1m25 competitions. I have ended up moving up alot of places thanks to a clear SJ.
Some intermediates can be strong too, and I would like a horse to be jumping members cup/foxhunter confidently.

Novice and below I agree should be a little more influential.... but that opens the whole 'grass roots' rider debate, and the fact that Novice and below is really training levels for young/inexperienced horses, so should be encouraging.
 
BE fences are more solid (there will be more poles in a fence than the same height "light & airy" BSJA)
BSJA courses are more technical (related distances, dog leg etc)
BSJA Jump off is 5 - 10 cms bigger than first round height
More fillers (and a water tray) in BSJA
 
I found that BE courses tend to be built 'longer' than BSJA courses - so all you really need to do is come round the corner and keep kicking. It is only at Novice that you are allowed related distances - which should be either 4 or 5 strides. And at Pre novice you should have 1 square parallel.

What BSJA class would you get with only one related distance?

I think BE'ers also find BSJA difficult because they do insist on going around with no martingale the horse has its head in the air and they don't really have a lot of control - which you can get away with at BE as it is just jump one jump, go round the corner jump another jump etc. BTW I know this is a generalisation.
 
You're gonna get slated for that last comment but I'm inclined to agree............ I remeber years ago now you could always spot an eventer in a BSJA class:

Tweed jacket and stock
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no martingale
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Really - our SJ courses over here (even PN) have maybe 2 related distances (straight lines though rather than doglegs) and all the parallels are square.

There was a novice course at one particular event a few weeks ago which was in a fairly small arena, had 1 double and 1 treble, and lots of related distances. There were very few clears. My friend didone of them but then she SJs as well and had recently got a DC at 1.20.

The course builder for most of our events is an internationally rated SJ course builder, so his distances/courses are always spot on.

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I agree, our courses are well built, (although I stick by the round the outside across the middle, around again!) and there are sometimes tricky enough distances imo.
Maybe it's an island difference, but most over here are in a martingale! (yes...skull cap is in prevalance though!)
I don't think you can say necessarily that showjumping is harder than eventing as obviously they are built for different types, the course in affiliated sj is built to determine the competition sort of thing?
 
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