Being Nosy - what did she do ? Gemma Plumley

Ok have just read more, there can be no reason to abuse your horse and if / as its proven she deserves the penalty.
 
What suddenly made this come up. The incident happened in 2006, and the appeal was declined in May this year. This is old news - also if you look on the BSJA website, there is a complete transcript of the case, with all the whys and wherefores.
 
Its come up as current news on the BSJA website so didn't realise it happened a while ago. Sorry if I touched a nerve.
 
I think this has only just come up because it was appealed against! These governing bodies really do need to get there act together. I was aware of the incident at the time & many people did speculate the why's & wherefore's of the outcome being so lengthy. My god the girl has ridden on European Championship teams & GB Nations Cups in the meantime.
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Oh yes, I just saw that it was only posted yesterday. Weird that it is rearing it's ugly head now, after so long since the appeal (which was 5 months ago).
 
Yes she was silly denying it when there were witnesses. Much better all round if she'd just said yes, sorry I lost it and it won't happen again.
 
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Blimey ! That is one he'll of an expensive beating !!!! Never mind the £750 fine....what about the £50k costs
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Surely the figure of £50k is mis-print?
 
I don't think so the BSJA costs were £ 100k so it was probably decided to split it, afterall the costs would have been greatly increased through the appeal.
 
Yes it does and I just can't see why she tried to deny it given there were so many witnesses. She's cost herself and the BSJA a truckload of money un-necessarily imo, irrespective of the time involved for all concerned.
 
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I don't think so the BSJA costs were £ 100k so it was probably decided to split it, afterall the costs would have been greatly increased through the appeal.

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Wow.
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Can't read the report, as it says it's corrupt.
 
Yeah that could've been a lot of extra prize money, in fact anything has to be better than spending it on court costs.
 
The witness situation was discussed in the findings and they concluded that they didn't think the witnesses had a reason to lie or fabricate what they had said, but they couldn't without a doubt rule it out in reason of law, and on the converse side the only other witness was GP's aunt who again maybe biased on GP's side. Other witnesses who could have helped seemed to opt for saying nothing cos they didn't want to get involved. So as far as witnesses it seems it was swings and roundabouts.

The overriding thing that seems to have sealed her fate is that TH wrote on the disciplinary ticket ' hit horse over the head' and GP signed it so they reasoned she knew what the allegations were. It is detailed and I have precede ( sp ) it.

Whatever the whys and wherefores it makes for interesting reading.
 
What a ridiculous thing to say. Of course cruelty matters - my comment related to the fact that the legal bill would've been loads more than originally because GP appealed against the decision. So an unnecessary trawl through the courts is what I'll be thinking of next time my membership is due.

At the risk of being a bit controversial, I don't think that British SJ is in a very good state at the moment. There is mutiny in the rankings, we have limited good horsepower, limited good owners, limited good sponsorship, yet our association has to waste £50k on a court case. This could nowhere near buy a decent horse, but add this to the money that "went missing" from the accounts last year, and lots of other "happenings", and we could be well on the way to having enough money for a really top horse, giving us at least a halfway decent chance in the 2012 Olympics. God knows we have got some fantastic British riders, just look at Ellen's perfomance at HOYS this year, along with countless others who have performed well during the year.

I'll climb off my soapbox now and get back to my work, so that I can pay my BSJA membership.........
 
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Thats an interesting observation , I'm sure I can't have been the only person surprised at Robert Smiths column in Horse Deals this month where he doesn't mince his words saying Derek Ricketts needs to resign immediately and there is far too much back scratching and politics going on.

Couldn't decide if he was very brave or very stupid
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LOL Yes am assuming he doesn't expect to be selected any time soon.
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He was criticising the selection policy.
 
I don't have Horse Deals and unfortunately the piece is not available online. Does he mention the fact that he was one of the riders responsible for selecting Derek to be Team Manager? I honestly don't have a view about how well or badly Derek has done the job - it is no easy one these days. Was Robert of the view that Derek should go before he was omitted from the team for the Europeans I wonder?
 
TBH I read it a while ago and I think he was complaining about the fact they don't know if they're riding or not until they get to the venue whereas the foreign riders know well in advance and prepare their campaign accordingly.

Personally I don't consider his horse as consistent enough to assume selection and as we don't imo ( apart from Robin Hood ) have any defined superstars who deliver all the time I can kind of see why DR would wait to chose if that is the case, but could just be sour grapes, who knows, wiser people than me thats for sure.
 
Thanks. It does not make sense though as the Super League rules this year meant only 4 riders travelled to those venues so they were bound to ride.

Quite agree that his horse is less than consistent - tends to do a good 1st round and doesn't go as well in the 2nd.
 
I am sure Susan W will say of course cruelty matters. I feel if go to court & then appeal against the decision & have a re trial I would expect to pay full costs not 50%. It's disgraceful that ordinary members should have to pay the costs. What really rubs salt in the wounds is that GP & Family can well afford to take full costs without any hardship whatsoever.
 
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