Best time of day for worming - sorry if sounds daft - also in Veterinary

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Just a quick question which I hope someone can help with.

I have my two packs of Pramox ready and waiting so I can worm my two ponies for encysted and tape (I do worm counts the rest of the year with Westgate and poo pick daily).

They are in at night and out in the day.

For those of you who have found encysted worms after worming, how long did they take to come out. I would rather know which one of mine (if any) have the worms so would like to be able to worm so that it is more likely any encysted worms would be expelled overnight. Their droppings are pretty similar and while I tend to know roughly which pile belongs to who in the field I wouldn't like to guarantee it.

Sorry if this is a daft question, but would you recommend worming (a) at tea time (b) at morning turn out time or (c) it doesn't matter because ponies 'movements' work at different rates or worms will be expelled across a 24 hour or more period.

Many thanks.
 
After worming on a sat night and bringing in with colic the following morning giving me 2 out of hours call outs on a sunday I will in the future only be worming in the morning on a weekday when I know they'll be stabled all day (mine are out at night and in during the day) and can be properly observed - for me that overtakes any worries about 'movements'.
 
Im the same as maggiesmum. have had too many bank holiday and weekend call outs! So now my horses are wormed

(i) in a weekday
(ii) in the morning
(iii) not near a bank holiday

It means you have to whole day to observe and pick up any poops straight away and also if things go pearshaped with my colic prone boy, can call the vet without the callouts alone bankrupting you.

Mind you my best tip to avoid colic is not using Pramox but doing the two types of worming separately (with the same active ingredients, just split into 2 wormers); it can be too much for some horses to have both together.
 
Thanks all. Much appreciate it. I've had horses for years but even when on diy yards the YO has always taken responsibility for the worming. Now they are at home and also with the move to worm counts I'm just trying to get my head around it. There is a lot of information out there but sometimes it is conflicting.

I think I may see if I can take the Pramox back and get the two separate ones as one of my ponies is a bit prone to spasmodic colic at the best of times (only once every couple of years, but I'm still paranoid about it). I will check when I get them, but how long would you recommend between the two wormers and which would you advise to do first?

Thanks again. :)
 
another one who would never use pramox. I would use equest now and do the tapes in April unless there is a desperate need to do them sooner.
(personally I do the tapes end of Sept with equitape and encysted around Dec with equest/PG)

I would worm with any wormer on a Monday morning which would leave me all day to get the vet and then another 4 weekdays before we got into weekend vet charges.
My horse got colic within an hour of using equest. That gave me most of the day to discuss it on the phone with the vet.

I would also only worm one horse a day with equest or pramox. I couldn't cope if more that one got colic at once. :(
 
paddy555 said:
another one who would never use pramox. I would use equest now and do the tapes in April unless there is a desperate need to do them sooner.
(personally I do the tapes end of Sept with equitape and encysted around Dec with equest/PG)

I would worm with any wormer on a Monday morning which would leave me all day to get the vet and then another 4 weekdays before we got into weekend vet charges.
My horse got colic within an hour of using equest. That gave me most of the day to discuss it on the phone with the vet.

I would also only worm one horse a day with equest or pramox. I couldn't cope if more that one got colic at once. :(
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Thanks that's really helpful. I did equitape last March, so as they are on well maintained grazing that can probably wait till April this year. I might do them again for tape in September and then just go annually from then on as I poo pick daily. I hadn't thought about doing them at different times, that's certainly a good idea. :)
 
From memory Equest will give you the same active ingredient for redworms as Pramox and Equitape will give you the same ingredient for tapeworms so they would work as separate doses. Starting from now I would agree with previous post, go for encysted redworms now with Equest and tapeworms with equitape in the spring.

The other advantage of the separate wormers, as well as making colic less likely IMO, is that if you do have a bad reaction you will know which wormer/chemical it was possibly to, rather than not knowing with Pramox which element caused the problem.

Of course some of the reported issues with Pramox and colic are potentially actually issues with the redwormer doing its job on horses with lots of encysted worms - large worm burdens being cleared out by the redwormer which can cause colic in itself. BUT if thats going to happen with whatever red wormer you use then, at least with the separate you arent also blasting them with another type of wormer at the same time which could make things worse.

Edited to add, you can blood test for tapeworm which I do when they have their annual jabs/6 monthly teeth. Its like an MOT for them! It has meant pony hasnt had to have any tapewormer and big chap I know is only having it cos he def needs it.

My horses problems began when he was wormed and had his flu jab within a few days of each other. So def avoid that combination too! (he was so ill for months, he can no longer have the flu jab on vet advice)
 
lachlanandmarcus said:
From memory Equest will give you the same active ingredient for redworms as Pramox and Equitape will give you the same ingredient for tapeworms so they would work as separate doses. Starting from now I would agree with previous post, go for encysted redworms now with Equest and tapeworms with equitape in the spring.

The other advantage of the separate wormers, as well as making colic less likely IMO, is that if you do have a bad reaction you will know which wormer/chemical it was possibly to, rather than not knowing with Pramox which element caused the problem.

Of course some of the reported issues with Pramox and colic are potentially actually issues with the redwormer doing its job on horses with lots of encysted worms - large worm burdens being cleared out by the redwormer which can cause colic in itself. BUT if thats going to happen with whatever red wormer you use then, at least with the separate you arent also blasting them with another type of wormer at the same time which could make things worse.

Edited to add, you can blood test for tapeworm which I do when they have their annual jabs/6 monthly teeth. Its like an MOT for them! It has meant pony hasnt had to have any tapewormer and big chap I know is only having it cos he def needs it.

My horses problems began when he was wormed and had his flu jab within a few days of each other. So def avoid that combination too! (he was so ill for months, he can no longer have the flu jab on vet advice)
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Oh good grief, my colicy one has to have his flu jab before 15th Feb - now I am even more paranoid! :eek:

Seriously though, thanks for all your help - all very useful information. Didn't know about blood testing so that's certainly something to discuss with the vet. I would rather only medicate when I have to.

Sometimes I worry about posting questions on here at the risk of sounding clueless but it does help to run things past other people. :)
 
nikicb said:
Oh good grief, my colicy one has to have his flu jab before 15th Feb - now I am even more paranoid! :eek:

Seriously though, thanks for all your help - all very useful information. Didn't know about blood testing so that's certainly something to discuss with the vet. I would rather only medicate when I have to.

Sometimes I worry about posting questions on here at the risk of sounding clueless but it does help to run things past other people. :)
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Never, ever be worried about asking on here! We've all been in the same boat ourselves at some point so if we can help others we do however please don't just take our word for it, we're not infallible so do please run it past your vet as well; we just give pointers to give you some idea of the questions to ask him.
 
Maesfen said:
Never, ever be worried about asking on here! We've all been in the same boat ourselves at some point so if we can help others we do however please don't just take our word for it, we're not infallible so do please run it past your vet as well; we just give pointers to give you some idea of the questions to ask him.
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Thanks! And yes I would always run it past my vet - it's just nice to have some information on the various options so I can ask the right questions. :)
 
nikicb said:
Oh good grief, my colicy one has to have his flu jab before 15th Feb - now I am even more paranoid! :eek:


Sometimes I worry about posting questions on here at the risk of sounding clueless but it does help to run things past other people. :)
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It's good to ask questions as it makes people think. I don't think people would have started thinking about combination wormers (eg pramox) without reading stuff on forums and then starting to wonder about their own horses. I always used to worm at night and go happily to bed. When my horse got colic from equest I was chatting to the vet nurse and she pointed out that many people wormed in the evening so had no idea what happened overnight.
On the other hand I worked out for myself about avoiding week ends and nights to keep the vet's bills down!!:D:D:D

Some (not all) barefoot people have seen footiness in their horses after some wormers. That may be when people started to consider separate wormers.

I also wouldn't vacinate or worm unless I had to in the laminitis season.
Just a case of trying to space out these chemicals etc to try and keep the risks to a minimum.
 
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