Bit of advice on dangerous dogs

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My dog got attacked a few weeks ago by 3 Staffs, none on a lead and he needed stitches in his face. My hubby was kicking the dogs to try and get them off him. He said it all happened so quick and that the owner said sorry and pretty much dissapeared. A week or so ago we heard a Lab puppy was killed in the same area by staffs, it may or may not have been the same dogs and today my hubby bumped into a regular dog walker who knew about our dog and was told 3 staffs had attacked his dog this week too. His dog was on a lead but got loose during the attack. The bigger staff was on a lead but the other 2 werent, The staff owner went mad at this man saying his dog should have been on a lead :confused::confused:
The lab puppy owner apparantly called the police who said there was nothing they could do as it wasnt a child or human who had been attacked. It seems so unfair.
Im not condemming Staffs as they arent born bad, I know its the owners but is there nothing that can be done about it. Im scared to walk in the area now :(
 
Dear lord, your dogs was lucky, 3 dogs on one and 3 dogs capable of mass injury.
I would go back to police and say.
"I AM PRE WARNING AND SHOUTING;) THAT THESE DOGS ARE DANGEROUS, AND WHEN SOMTHING OTHER THAN A DOG IS INJURED, LET IT BE KNOW, i WARNED YOU AND IF YOU DID NOTHING, THE ON YOUR HEAD BE IT, I WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE PAPERS"
Also go to the dog warden, get an address, floow him if need be without your dog and get what you need, good description of the dogs, address, description of bloke, and get more people to write written complaints, hand the to dog warden and sameto police.
 
This is horrendous, imagine a child walking their dog and meeting those dogs, it just dosnt bear thinking about.

Have you spoken to the dog warden? if you know who owns these dogs he might be able to speak to him and make him aware of the consequences.
 
As above, try dog warden and also carry a stick (to pry jaw), air spray (not hair spray, let's not start that again :p) or air horn and spare slip lead in case you have to interfere with an attacking dog's air supply - I know it's in the heat of the moment but kicking an attacking dog, especially a terrier, can hype it up more.
Glad your boy is OK x
 
Thanks for replying.
We dont know where the owner lives, maybe the estate nearby but its pretty big. Its such a lovely area to walk but these type of dogs are becoming more common as status symbols around here.
I know its really cowardly but we are a bit wary of reprecussions as they arent 'nice' people. I will phone the dog warden to see what they say but I know you have to give name address etc to the police and without an address of the dogs owners Im not sure what they can do.
 
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CaveCanem said:
As above, try dog warden and also carry a stick (to pry jaw), air spray (not hair spray, let's not start that again :p) or air horn and spare slip lead in case you have to interfere with an attacking dog's air supply - I know it's in the heat of the moment but kicking an attacking dog, especially a terrier, can hype it up more.
Glad your boy is OK x
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Hi, whats the air spray, sorry I didnt read the thread on hair spray although I did suggest that to hubby. I dont want to injure a dog but if it means getting it off mine then TBH I wouldnt care :(
Hubby said he actually picked up the smaller staff and launched it away :eek: Im supprised he didnt get attacked.
Our boy is fine thanks, just a bit shocked at the time. Hes a big fast Lurcher, I just wish he would have ran off :).
 
Its not fair but to be honest I would not take the risk of walking where this fellais again, 1 dog, fair enough, your lad is not small and is less likel to suffer the injuries most smaller/older/pups would get away with, but 3...well no chance, I think your hubbie was very lucky to fight them of that time.
I would neither care what injury I infliced on an attacking dog that was mauling mine, or the owner for that matter.
The spare slip lead as CC suggested can be a god send, you could A, tie a loan attacing dog up to restrain it away from yours or B, strangle it without having to loop lead over the head, keeping a dog still and cuttng off the air supply is better than tearing 2 apart or kicking as again more tug, the victim is gonna end up more torn up.
And as suggested an air horn to the ear is rather deafening, would create a shock disraction by which it will hopefully let go and back off.
 
As Cayla, put your own dog first, if mine was attacking another dog I would have no qualms.
It's a compressed air spray (Google it) that sends a jet of air which can distract or deter the dog.
 
Everything as said above. Put your own dog first, call the dog warden and let him know (we did this with some off lead unruly dogs at the yard and she's stopped coming to walk them there now) and try and avoid that place, as unfair as it is - maybe try walking at different times?
My GSD was attacked as a 2 yo by a Staff (offlead - mine was onlead) and its had a lasting effect on her ever since. Worryingly as we shouted for someone to come and get this bloody dog, it was a kid that came out maybe 9 or 10 and as its trying to pull the dog away, the dog is snapping and snarling at the kid!
I've met many a nice soft Staffie but unfortunately due to their appearance and status many are bought by people who have no intention of training them or being considerate responsible dog owners.
K x
 
Take it from me please,you will NOT get a bull terrier of any sort off another dog by noise/compressed air ,hitting/kicking /throwing water on it..or even pepper. All of that will just make the breed crosser ,and more tenacious than ever.
How to stop it?Secure the dog being attacked to something,pray the attacker has a collar on,If you do have a "breaking stick" great,insert said stick in the COLLAR and tourniquet it by twisting it round and round..at some point quite soon the blood supply to the dog`s brain gets interrupted and it passes out. REMOVE it quickly and firmly secure it,because as soon as concious it will pile in again,that is bred into them all.
History lesson: "coming up to scratch" referred to the scratch line accross the centre of a fighting dog ring,to win the fight the stronger dog had to cross the scratch line and re-worry the weaker animal ..even if it was dead.If it failed to do so,the dead dog won.Horrible but true,so that is where the incredible tenacity comes from in bull terrier breeds.People,however,are never in any danger,they were always amenable to human interference even when fighting.
Over the years there have been accidental fights here,and never once have I been touched when dealing with it,and in fact am never remotely worried about that ever happening. As people and children dogs they are gentle and tolerant,it is just other dogs that are their "game".Loads of course are perfect in that way too,and for the most part the killer instinct is bred out by responsible breeders..however ,if that blue touch paper gets lit..watch out pooches.
Always a good idea to have a spare cord slip lead in your pocket anyway,for such things as this..or lost dogs,you never know.:D
 
Have to say, im not actually organise enough to carry anything except leads, and ours are rarely approached by any dog:D with an indestrictable akita in the pack that spots trouble a mile off, well nowt is gonna get past her to even get to the rest:p
We did have a mastiff try and attack OH's deerhound and 2 SBT's (seperate incidents), but he dog was a beast of a dog and he had a nasty streak with dogs approaching his space so he put both on their backs, the staffs esp where making some horrid blood curdling noises when he got hold of them:o one then proceeded to run from the owner it was in such a panick....clearly they did not expect a fight.

I did intervene with some dogs fights regarding other people dogs, one on road side not so long ago, 2 sbt's, 1 huge one small, the bigger had the littluns throat, the bloke had the little one off the floor ad was pulling it, and the woman was pulling the large staff who was in mid air trying to hold onto the little one, resulting in the smaller dogs throat stretching to rippage point:eek: I placed a slip round he biggie and crossed my arms and choked like my life depended on it, it did let go, but I may have held on to long, cos it lay flat and gasping:o I think the wife was thinking,"did u just kill my dog":eek: but she was in shock from the attack so could not dod much....it did get up and stagger off, and they did atleast thank me and OH. I hate seeing dog fights, es when oneis no competittion at all.

Theother one had a small dog and I choked that 2 lol, it let go rather quick.
 
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Sorry to read this op: it always saddens me to hear- especially owning a bull breed myself, it just gives responsible owners an even harder time. :(

i have to agree with East Kent on this: having an american bulldog myself.

unfortunately betty was fine around other dogs until she reached 17 months. she then started scrapping for dominance with my friends bitch, who she spent all her time with. they would be curled up sleeping together one minute, fighting the next. very scary for all involved. the first time a bucket of water was enough, next time it wasnt. luckily they never injured each other, but i know that nothing much will snap a bullbreed out of that state of mind once its started. (unless highly trained- schz/pp etc) best you can hope for is that the dog locks on in a bite, and you can tie it up and use a breaking stick to release it.

needless to say Betty has no doggy friends anymore, and is always on a lead in public places. unfortunately not everyone is as responsible. that being said i meet a LOT of people who dont have their dogs on leads or at heel... :mad: they shout (from a distance) "its ok he's friendly!!" yeah well mine isnt!! all dogs should be on a lead in public- just because yours is dog freindly, doesnt mean there wont be one round the corner who isnt. ;)

i hope your dog is ok, and not too shaken by his ordeal. personally i wouldnt walk there any more. there are a few places i no longer walk betty as we always meet idiots with their dogs off lead. :( xx


eta: i would steer clear of choke leads for bullbreed attacks- this just pumps the dog full of endorphines. ;) im sure we are all aware of the tenacity of bull breeds- choking only hypes them up even more. ;)

vicki. x
 
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Endorphines? Never heard that. It's a basic principle, if the dog cannot breathe, it will let go of whatever it is holding, EK has suggested that herself.

Sorry you've had such a tough time with Betty.

EK, we used to have a user called Scratchline, don't know where he is these days!
 
yes eventualy... but if betty's neck is anything to go by it'd take a lot of doing! :D ive been at a football match where her eyes nearly popped out of her head and she nearly killed herself choking, and pulling to get at the ball... :rolleyes: if that football was replaced with a non submisive bitch i'd have even less chance of denting her drive! :rolleyes:;)

oh and i meant adrenaline... not endorphines!! oops! :o

we had a hard time with betty for a while- we weren't aware of that side of a.b ownership, (as we took her on at 8 months old from another family member) but alls good now- its all part of the "fun" of bullbreeds! they are numbskulls! :D

xx
 
Just so sorry to hear about your dog being attacked. As someone who has 2 SBT's reading this makes me so sad and really irate with the idiots who do not control their dogs.

Having been around staffies for a very long time, I have seen first hand how this can all kick off. The biggest "problem" with staffs is they have memories like elephants, so if someone lets a staffie be attacked and has the attitude of "let them sort it out", it can often see the start of aggression. I.E, the dog will attack at the first sign of another dog going for it and won't back down.

I find that staffies tend to give some warnings. There is the noisy yelling they start with which is when you stop it but if it esculates to the dog actually gripping it is really hard to get it off. The best way is either as suggested to choke the dog off, or (and if not dangerous to yourself), to kick the back legs away. A terrier will grab and then use its back legs to stabilise itself but you MUST be careful that you don't place yourself in danger.

Incidentally, I learnt all the above when my first staffie was attacked by a GSD when at a show. Mine was on a lead sitting next to me and the GSD flipped and went for mine. Up to that point (we lived in London) my dog was truly 100% with everything canine including a rather grumpy ex police dog who only would play with her. After that I had to be careful with strange dogs who came bouncing up to her. I actually managed to stop this because my bitch was heavily focused on me and we ended up managing to hack out again as she would totally ignore anything that came up to her in order to stay with me.

But once again, I am sorry. It was totally irresponsible of the owner, please do report it to the dog warden AND the police to ensure they build up a record. While not in any way making excuses either, can I just point out that the breed standard for a staffie is also 14" at the shoulder for a bitch and 16" max for a dog so it sounds these dogs are crosses as well.
 
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