bit of new info from old owner needing new bit advise pleeeease!

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We have found sully has got super strong as hes got fitter and out alone of in company he always broncs when trotting or cantering. doesnt bother me but its got to the point of being tedious i cant hold him at all. we brought him in a snaffle and changed to a fulmer but even with extra schooling i need something which gives me come control when im by my self. she said she had him in a pelham but only for a short time and it was just admitted because she thought 'it looked cool'(please dont comment no doubt i agree). anyway i emailed her to say what was happening and ask if she had tried a gag she said he did it very badly with her hated all gag bits true or continental but ok in a pelham and always rode him in that.

bit pissed off as think it would have been nice to have a heads up! my only worry is the fact he has a TINY head and mouth and i just cant imagine a pelham is really a good idea...
please let me know what you think re alternatives????? thank you sorry for length tea and croissant all round!
 
yeah i hadnt thought of that! just didnt want to crowd his mouth (she said he was gobby with metal but not rubber which is quite bulky).
 
Actually I'm getting really confused by your OP.

Firstly you say she had him in a pelham but only for a short time and it was just admitted because she thought 'it looked cool' then you say ok in a pelham and always rode him in that.

However, if he's fine in a pelham then get one to suit.

Oh and btw when you say "fulmer" that would refer to the cheeks, not to the mouthpiece so one would be unable to comment on it's suitability or otherwise for a strong horse. The cheeks would, however, make a difference to the steering.

And finally, I'd ask her what was the mouthpiece of the pelham she was riding him in that worked and get something similar.
 
was an straightbar fulconite pelham. his old owner keeps changing her story originally selling because she needed money for an opp, sully was also supposedly anyones ride and always snaffle mouthed when buying i asked if she rode him anything else and she said a pelham once or twice because it looked cool.
i asked her about the broncing now she said (now) thats why she sold him he scared her a lot and was only rideable in the pelham...
sorry re fulmer confusion just fulmer cheek snaffle as jumping i have no control! thank you :-) x
 
I think you should discourage his misbehaviour, a good growl or a smack will let him know, maybe try lunge before riding, or more work, I mean fifty percent more, and growl at him if he does it out hacking. He may be getting enough feed for condition and a bit more for broncing, check his feed and remove sugars., you can soak his forage too.
There is no real point in bothering with the previous owner any more, just try basic schooling and lots of it.
As per H and H mantra: check teeth, back, and saddle.
 
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my kids had a 11hh pony we used a pelham on for a while and it was great. She was very responsive in it, and she did not seem to mind it at all.

We used a mullen mouth pelham (straight bit, rather than jointed ) and that is my preferece with pelham or kimblewick bits.
 
thank you everyone will inspect his diet more closely we have been trying to cut back sugars and think it may have made some difference lots of growling tbh i just push him through it and give im a smack if he starts really taking the piss but i have to have other people riding him as dont have the time and getting to the point where not many will...!
 
i think reschooling would b e better than shoving a stronger bit in his mouth, i had this issue with my cob, (well without the broncing) we were out competeing last summer at all disciplines but he just got stronger and stronger, i was so loathe to put a stronger bit in, i have now spent the summer reschooling him. This has done wonders and he now has a new found respect for his snaffle. Also maybe try dropping the bit down a hole, many horses bits are so high the poll pressure must be immense.
 
I don't get how putting him in a pelham will stop him broncing if I'm totally honest? It might help you to stop him tanking off, but other than that you won't have solved any problems. He's probably more likely to get in a tantrum and throw a buck because he can't go anywhere now you have put the pelham on him.

You need to address the problem before it gets out of hand. Sounds to me like the other people riding him aren't as competent as you might like, so he thinks he can just take the pee. I wouldn't be letting anyone else ride him, as it sounds to me like because other less capable people than yourself are riding him, he's getting it into his head that what he's doing is a fab way of getting what he wants.

I am currently working a 17.3 Warmblood, and he was a good to hack would look at stuff and stop, but apart from that he was fine. Until one day his very novice owner took him out and he spooked and napped, and the owner bought him home. From then on he's been a nightmare to even get out of the gates. You see where I'm going here? Horse that was fine with confident capable person, ridden by novice once and allowed to get away with whatever he wants, is now a total beast to ride out. I mean,

If you don't have the time to ride him, and are relying on other people all the time, its not surprising he has gone from being ok, to not. It's probably nothing to do with his fitness (although I do agree cutting the sugar and oats will help you to some degree).
You need to either make the time to get him right yourself, or get a professional/someone capable in to sort him out.

This isn't a bitting issue.
 
thank you sophie yeah i know what you mean but because of personal circumstances i can only ride 3 times a week and ideally would prefer him to be fitter and he cant be schooled by anyone else as he really throws his toys out the pram when in small amounts of work he doesnt get crazy at all just as soon as he gains muscle its wild mustang impression!
I agree re bitting/broncing but when his old owner told me to try it he doesnt actually try it on(well not nearly as bad) i am at a loss why!! just frustrating as the other day he got crazy slipped a bit and then jump reared up and nearly flipped over teeth back saddle all checked and fine... at 17 i think old dog new tricks kind of game... :-/
 
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