Bit suggestions, fleshy over the bars?

[HufflyPuffly]

Beryl is proving a tricky fit!

She has a pretty small mouth, standard amount of tongue but very fleshy just over her bars and we're getting a bit of pinching up towards where her molars are. She is 'going' best in the Informed Design liberty eggbutt but when the dentist was here there were two obvious pinch marks. So I have tried her in my Mylers (loose ring rubbed the corners of her mouth, though the D ring was ok but a bit too big), but she really doesn't seem to like them? Lots of mouth open arguing going on, shes lovely and settled in the ID bit... She also doesn't like my trust bit that I started her in, doesn't want to open her mouth to be bridled, did I mention she's a sassy wee thing that makes her feelings known!

So I need bar relief not tongue relief, any ideas of what to try?

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Arabi was difficult to bit for years spent loads on fancy bits he just wouldn't accept any contact and was generally unhappy, then someone suggested a magic snaffle I had never heard of them and this person lent me one and he was immediately better and I at last could get some sort of contact and he was happy, I rode him in it for quite a few years then started trying others and eventually he was easy with bits.

I did try a happy mouth once and it made both corners of his mouth bleed apparently some horses can be sensitive to the stuff they are made of.

How old is she? I only ask as could her teeth still be coming through?

 

[HufflyPuffly]

Arabi was difficult to bit for years spent loads on fancy bits he just wouldn't accept any contact and was generally unhappy, then someone suggested a magic snaffle I had never heard of them and this person lent me one and he was immediately better and I at last could get some sort of contact and he was happy, I rode him in it for quite a few years then started trying others and eventually he was easy with bits.

I did try a happy mouth once and it made both corners of his mouth bleed apparently some horses can be sensitive to the stuff they are made of.

How old is she? I only ask as could her teeth still be coming through?

Interesting, I did wonder about the magic bit as a friend used it for her horse, but I wasn't sure if it was another that is aimed at tongue relief?

She'll be four in May, all her molars are through, just her front corner caps to go, she has been slow with her teeth according to the 'norm'.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I recall that you've used our local chiro vet in the past? She's also the first vet to qualify as a LANTRA bit and bridle fitter. Worth a look and an ask?

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Interesting, I did wonder about the magic bit as a friend used it for her horse, but I wasn't sure if it was another that is aimed at tongue relief?

She'll be four in May, all her molars are through, just her front corner caps to go, she has been slow with her teeth according to the 'norm'.

I don't know how the magic bit works I'm pretty useless with how most bits work tbh.

Interesting about her teeth Arabi took ages for teeth to settle as well, maybe it's an Arab thing! I couldn't put anything in his mouth until they were done, so might be worth waiting a bit until everything is through and trying again.

 

[HufflyPuffly]

I don't know how the magic bit works I'm pretty useless with how most bits work tbh.

Interesting about her teeth Arabi took ages for teeth to settle as well, maybe it's an Arab thing! I couldn't put anything in his mouth until they were done, so might be worth waiting a bit until everything is through and trying again.

It’s more her mouth conformation than her teeth, she had her wolf teeth out and the dentist is happy enough. She thought she was pulling the bit back and pinching herself but she’s quiet in her mouth when being ridden so we think it’s just the shape of her mouth.

 

[Kaylum]

I would get a fitter out as they can check the bridle as well. They can also see where the bit fits in the mouth x

 

[HufflyPuffly]

I recall that you've used our local chiro vet in the past? She's also the first vet to qualify as a LANTRA bit and bridle fitter. Worth a look and an ask?

Oh I didn’t know that! I was thinking it might be good for her to take a look at her!

 

[Snow Falcon]

Would something like this help? My mares have finally settled with this one. It is curved so doesn't sit straight in the mouth which I find hasn't suited mine.

 

[HufflyPuffly]

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Would something like this help? My mares have finally settled with this one. It is curved so doesn't sit straight in the mouth which I find hasn't suited mine.

Oh maybe? I was wondering about bombers, is that the make Platinum Equestrian? I'll see if they do an eggbutt/ D ring version!

 

[Snow Falcon]

Yes, I have bought 3 in total, different sizes. I found another horse we had on loan liked it too. They sell on fleabay.

I've just looked-they do.

 

[webble]

Definitely worth getting a bit fitter out. I used one for the first time today and it was really interesting, tried a few and no hard sell either

 

[HufflyPuffly]

I’ve used a fitter before and it was really useful, but the bits they like to suggest as best shaped for comfort are those I’ve already tried . Might send them an email to see if they’ve got any pointers.

Beryl is having an easy few weeks anyway, so can keep researching for the moment .

 

[webble]

Beryl looks lovely

 

[HufflyPuffly]

Beryl looks lovely

Beryl is the most mega baby horse ever if you don’t mind a sass pants, feisty, slightly odd shaped pony .

 

[GoldenWillow]

My cob has fleshy bars and a thick tongue and he prefers a baucher cheek piece over any other type, I "think" it's because it's stable and slightly lifted in his mouth but I could be guessing at this. From what I've read mullen mouth type mouthpieces should work well for him but he hates these.

He is also one who is very clear what his opinion on things like bits and saddles are!

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

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Would something like this help? My mares have finally settled with this one. It is curved so doesn't sit straight in the mouth which I find hasn't suited mine.

I use the same sort of mouth piece but mine is a hanging cheek on Arabi and he goes really well in it, mine wasn't expensive either and was from Ebay.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

My cob has fleshy bars and a thick tongue and he prefers a baucher cheek piece over any other type, I "think" it's because it's stable and slightly lifted in his mouth but I could be guessing at this. From what I've read mullen mouth type mouthpieces should work well for him but he hates these.

He is also one who is very clear what his opinion on things like bits and saddles are!

Thats actually a good point about stability Arabi prefers an eggbutt or something that is still in the mouth so definitely worth looking into.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Just something else I thought of I find altering the height of the bit can make a difference some like the bit to sit lower.

 

[GoldenWillow]

I've been doing some reading about Baucher cheeks, although quite a lot of places are still saying the now out dated information that they do exert poll pressure the general consensus is that they lift in the mouth reducing the pressure on both the tongue and the bars. Hth

 

[HufflyPuffly]

Just something else I thought of I find altering the height of the bit can make a difference some like the bit to sit lower.

I sat the D ring myler lower, so no pinching at the back but she just isn’t a fan… though I’m wondering whether to get one actually her size and try again .

I've been doing some reading about Baucher cheeks, although quite a lot of places are still saying the now out dated information that they do exert poll pressure the general consensus is that they lift in the mouth reducing the pressure on both the tongue and the bars. Hth

Yeah no poll pressure from hanging cheeks/ bauchers, but that’s a shout for them keeping the bit stiller and off the bars!

Bezza says thanks for all the suggestions .

 

[Bobthecob15]

I've not read all the posts but have you contacted Expert Bits? They are really helpful and can suggest types to try based on mouth conformation (or arrange a consultation depending on where you are)...we've recently tried a comfy barrel snaffle for ours and he seems to really like it. www.expertbits.co.uk

They are a bit like the mullen mouth style of bits x

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I sat the D ring myler lower, so no pinching at the back but she just isn’t a fan… though I’m wondering whether to get one actually her size and try again .



Yeah no poll pressure from hanging cheeks/ bauchers, but that’s a shout for them keeping the bit stiller and off the bars!

Bezza says thanks for all the suggestions .
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Might be worth a try I think myler always say to go a bit bigger rather than snug I think

She looks very Arab like in the ridden picture what percentage is she how is she bred if you don't mind me being nosy?

 

[HufflyPuffly]

Might be worth a try I think myler always say to go a bit bigger rather than snug I think

She looks very Arab like in the ridden picture what percentage is she how is she bred if you don't mind me being nosy?

Hmm see the myler I tried is slightly too big so now I don’t know!

She’s half Arab, sire is Cwyrtai Marko (HT Malik Madheen/ Alyetta), dam is a Welsh part bred O Fon Melody (Thomas/ O Fon Champagne).

I’m rubbish at keeping up with breeding and good lines but the guy I bought her from has a good eye for a nice horse .

 

[ihatework]

Novocontact might be worth a trial

 

[HufflyPuffly]

Novocontact might be worth a trial

Just looked them up, they sound good and I bet work a treat so I have to fork out for a nice expensive bit for her !

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Hmm see the myler I tried is slightly too big so now I don’t know!

She’s half Arab, sire is Cwyrtai Marko (HT Malik Madheen/ Alyetta), dam is a Welsh part bred O Fon Melody (Thomas/ O Fon Champagne).

I’m rubbish at keeping up with breeding and good lines but the guy I bought her from has a good eye for a nice horse .

I recognise the Cwyrtai prefix but not familiar with alot of the horses they bred she is really lovely

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Hmm see the myler I tried is slightly too big so now I don’t know!

She’s half Arab, sire is Cwyrtai Marko (HT Malik Madheen/ Alyetta), dam is a Welsh part bred O Fon Melody (Thomas/ O Fon Champagne).

I’m rubbish at keeping up with breeding and good lines but the guy I bought her from has a good eye for a nice horse .

HT prefix I think is Halson Arabians