Bleeding mares? and plaits.......Somerset and wider area

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I've been forwarded, via email, the following information. (Quoted from email): and I'm just passing the info on:

"1) 2 irish men have been to several yards now in the Chard/Crewkerne area in the past week.

2) I was contacted by a lady from Nottingham, where they have been having problems for a few years now (with the twisted plait present).

Their problem does not appear to be theft but that of 'bleeding' horses, especially mares.
Apparently people have come to yards & fields & bled horses in the middle of the night, leaving a calling card - fine twisted plait, a cut in the tail - both not obvious at first sight, sometimes walnut shells, heather or stones outside the doors or in up turned feed bin lids. Sometimes horses have a clear sticky residue on their muzzles, and you can feel little lumps along the jugular vein where the needle has gone in. The lady who rang me said that her mare, with a foal at foot wasn't looking as bright as normal & then was found to have collapsed in the field. The vet said she was suffering from anaemia & had probably had between 4&6 litres of blood drained from her the night before but that it wouldn't have been the first time."

and from another attached email:



"Apparently some well dressed Irish men in a silver people carrier with registration no of 07C 9153 is doing the rounds appearing to sell various things or offer services. They have been reported a couple of times for suspicious behaviour and according to the police they are well known horse thieves targeting horse owners, stealing their trailers and using them to steal their horses."

and another attached email:

"I received the email below a few days ago (beginning of November), read it, passed it on and thought no more about it until today.....so please read, particularly if you are in the SOMERSET area....it came originally from Shropshire Crime Prevention Unit. I have extended the distribution this time so hopefully more people will benefit.

Horses in the TAUNTON AREA are now being targetted. *********(edited to remove name) found a plait in her Shetland pony's mane today, and closeby in a field a few miles away another horse had also been marked with a plait - fortunately also noticed. The horse thieves also can put a small plait in a tail and/or leave some stones near the gateway to identify which field to go in.

Please be on the alert as there are no further details or descriptions of anyone visiting the fields. If you do see anything suspicious please email round or contact your local Horse Watch so that more information can be collected.

The field that the shetland pony was in, was securely padlocked at both ends, so this is obviously not much of a deterrent for them. Fortunately it was noticed and the pony has been removed."

I have also heard of a pony being marked (plait) in the Brent Knoll area recently.

I've never heard of mares being bled?.....Why would someone do that?!

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I know! I've never heard of mares being bled.......does sound a bit odd......but I was asked to pass it on........and some people are concerned I guess......my boy has been chipped now and won't let me catch him half the time, never mind some thieving B!
 

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I have to say I find that very hard to believe..... It just sounds like the rumour mill is growing to daft proportions now.

Happy to be proved wrong!!
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Sounds weird to me! I'm a part of our local horsewatch so only take seriously the emails/ texts I get from the Police - there are so many "spoof" things going around.

Althouth all the alerts I get from the Police are enough to get you paranoid - worse even, as you know they are true !!
 

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What a fab idea! That'll make their hair stand on end!

I'm never sure how much is true either......chinese whispers and all that. Stuff obviously does go on, but I tend to take everything with a pinch of salt.........I guess it's like most things you read in the media!!
 

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what i want to know is were are the pictures of these plaited horses?
i think this is all chinese's whispers which is getting more and more added to it. just like last year with the europeans
 

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This is all beginning to sound like The Blair Witch Project....sticks and stones and walnut shells.

The sooner these scaremongering emails stop, the better.
By all means, please ensure your security is good, but don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 

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What I don't understand is why the thieves are spending time plaiting manes - why don't they just take the horse on the first vist?
 
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Strangely, I found my show welsh A with a plait, just like the one in temsilk's thread. I never moved the pony, and he never disappeared.
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(This was not recently though)
 

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Strangely, I found my show welsh A with a plait, just like the one in temsilk's thread. I never moved the pony, and he never disappeared.
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I've been finding 'plaits' like that in my horses' manes for the last 26 years(I've only been around that long). Funny how they are never reported in horses with pulled manes - they mustn't want those ones....
 

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Those knots,tangles are very common on native ponies. Mine gets twists in her mane and it knots at the end,hard to get out. Ive seen loads of horses with Rasters,knots,in their manes.
 

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this is not a joke, im surrounded by these targetted yards i have heard numerous reports of plaiting, road and gate marking even a car pulling into my friends yard, 100% true, with its number plate taped out, they asked if he needed help he replied 'just looking just looking' and drove away, 2 seconds from that yard a pony WAS plaited. if you choose to treat this as a joke i feel sorry for you and your horses and hope you do not in anyway find yourselves in such circumstances...i wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy.
 

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this is not a joke, im surrounded by these targetted yards i have heard numerous reports of plaiting, road and gate marking even a car pulling into my friends yard, 100% true, with its number plate taped out, they asked if he needed help he replied 'just looking just looking' and drove away, 2 seconds from that yard a pony WAS plaited. if you choose to treat this as a joke i feel sorry for you and your horses and hope you do not in anyway find yourselves in such circumstances...i wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy.

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I don't think anybody is treating as a joke. Just with a pinch of salt. There was mass hysteria similar to this last year with lots of people 'hearing reports' about eastern european/ polish/ irish men/women in white transits vans all over the country - taking pictures. In the end it all died down - it had all actually started when an amateur photographer(of British origin), who drove a white transit minibus, was asked to leave a show somewhere in Derbyshire as he wasn't with any of the competitors...where the eastern europeans came into I don't know - I would expect this was because of a bit of racism/ misunderstanding. Not one animal was stolen by these phantom people - some suggested the rumours were even made up by freezemark companies and it certainly did drum up a bit more business. The crux of it is that it shouldn't take something like this to make you make your animals secure - they should already be that way.

You should also understand that there really is NO market for horses ATM - I've seen youngsters going through the ring for £20, it would've cost more than that for the diesel to get it to the sale.

So please don't misunderstand us sceptics, and I really hope I'm not proved wrong....
 

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If someone is going to steal a horse they will be in and out in a flash, NOT wandering round a field of ponies in the dark feeling their manes for a plait.

Some common sense is needed here! And as others have said the horse market is sh*te at the moment so please tell me why horses are being stolen.

Oh and any police reports to back up your claims? I'm not having a go I'm just trying to be rational about this - it's really getting out of hand now.
 

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If someone is going to steal a horse they will be in and out in a flash, NOT wandering round a field of ponies in the dark feeling their manes for a plait.

Some common sense is needed here! And as others have said the horse market is sh*te at the moment so please tell me why horses are being stolen.

Oh and any police reports to back up your claims? I'm not having a go I'm just trying to be rational about this - it's really getting out of hand now.

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No police reports of horses being stolen with regard to plaits, the horse stolen from Guildford, Surrey was totally made up as was it being left at Holyhead. I am a horse watch co-ordinator and checked this with the head of Horse Watch who checked for an incident number, these plaits are wind made, I saw one at the weekend from a new horse at my yard, I was amazed that the wind could make such an amazing intricate plait.

Saying that it is true that horses can be tagged with a plait and markers left on the road to indicate a gap in the hedge and something we should all be aware of but some people are scaremongering. There would be at least a couple of horses stolen in this manner if all the stories were true and there isn't.

The best thing you can do is join and support your local horse watch for official police messages and a network of local people to help keep an eye out for each other.
 

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I think that horses with companions must be grooming each other or horses are itching them selves. there are lots of explanations to 'plaits' (knots) in horses manes and tails
 

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If a thief wants your horse he will take it no matter what you do. Those so called plaits,I believe are from the weather and nothing else. My welshy gets them constantly.
 

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QR why the bleeding?? I don't understand the significance (sp) I understand that the belief is that by plaiting the horse it is a sign that it is one to take...(if rumours are to be believed) but what would the bleeding do???
 

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Official Horse Watch Response

As many of you will know they is an unprecedented number of reports being received from different parts of the country about horses’ manes being plaited.
The overriding question is why? In short there is no given answer. Depending who is spoken to the answer may be that the plaits indicate the horse has been identified for stealing. Others will say that the plaiting coincides with the time of the year, position of the sun, moon and that the plaits are symbols of others beliefs, rites and rituals. On the other hand the plait may be the result of natural movement of the

horse combined with its close contact with hedges, gorse. These “plaits” can have colloquial names such as tigs, twassels, teesels, torgs………
All plaiting incidents need to be examined individually and a decision on what to do made on facts as identified. It would help if all plaiting incidents were photographed so that within each county a log is maintained. This would help to appreciate exactly what plaits look like and determine their relevance
It is probably best to keep an open mind about the plait debate as it does not help the equine community to create a fear of crime if none is justified. This was demonstrated recently when a horse was allegedly reported stolen from Guildford, found abandoned outside the port of Holyhead, with a plait in its mane! Subsequent investigation revealed there was no theft, therefore no abandonment or plait.

As with all matters affecting horses and property the over riding message is remain vigilant, be suspicious and report all matters causing concern to your local police and Horsewatch.


And please only post IF YOU have the incident number
 
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