Bought an ill pony.

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I'm looking for some advice from anyone who has been unfortunate to have found themselves in a similar situation to myself or have any knowledge...
I very sadly lost my companion pony just after Christmas, devastating for myself and family but the 2 horses he left behind were not coping either. We made the tough decision to find another pony so neither horse would be left alone in the field whilst I was bringing the other one in. I found what I thought was the perfect pony, quiet, sensible, great with children etc, he was being sold with a filly but the lady said that they could be split up. I went to see him and he was great. He'd come from the sales but she'd had him for nearly 2 months. I paid the deposit via bank transfer and he was delivered by his then owner a couple of days later, I paid the rest with cash and got a receipt. Then the problems started. I wanted him vaccinated and my vet came out within 2 hours of him arriving and witnessed him coughing and snotty (mainly coughing when eating), I had no where else to put him and no transport to move him and by then the horses had all been to say hello. I hoped it was just a virus, in this weather there's a lot of bugs about. Within 2 weeks both other horses were pouring with snot and coughing, I had to get the vet out on a Sunday night as one had a fever, he had (recently cleared) liver disease so couldn't have oral antibiotics or anti inflammatories so was injected. He was better within a few days. The other who is 23 had danillon for his fever but is still coughing a bit. I messaged his old owner to see if they had a virus in their yard, I didn't get a response. I had put off getting the pony scoped as he was so tiny and young and had the odd day when I thought he was improving. We scoped and did a trach' wash and waited 9 days for the results a they had to grow and then identify the bacteria. Turns out he has strangles and had passed it on to the horses. Luckily we are very isolated so no threat to anyone else and I am disinfecting everything.
Has anything similar happened to anyone? I rang his old owner but she did not answer so I sent a message, the next day I got a response saying he was fine when she had him and not to contact her again. Citizens Advice think I have a great case to claim damages (vets bills) as he was witnessed by a vet to be ill on arrival. I'm mostly angry about the suffering this poor little pony has suffered and my 2 horses. She keeps her horses/ponies in the same barn so they're all going to have it and she had the filly for sale too so it's probably spread further.
Any advice will be gratefully received, sorry about the essay.
 

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God what a nightmare of a situation OP! I'm so sorry to hear you are going through this and I hope your horses and the companion pony are all better soon. I don't know much about the legal side of things - I'd imagine the tricky think will be proving the seller knew he was ill? But hopefully someone with more knowledge will be along soon.
 

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Oh dear OP what a nightmare. Sounds as though he came straight from the sales and she hadn't had him long at all. You can try sueing for vet's bills but don't hold out much hope.
 

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If you are a BHS member contact their legal advice helpline.
Or if you have Legal cover on your home insurance you can use that.

Unfortunately I’m not a member of the BHS but I did ring them for advice. I’ll look into our home insurance, I would never have thought about that. Thank you.
 

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Oh dear OP what a nightmare. Sounds as though he came straight from the sales and she hadn't had him long at all. You can try sueing for vet's bills but don't hold out much hope.

She had him for nearly 2 months, the incubation period is between 3-14 days. She would have known he had something wrong if not strangles plus her others would have fallen ill like mine did.?
 

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She had him for nearly 2 months, the incubation period is between 3-14 days. She would have known he had something wrong if not strangles plus her others would have fallen ill like mine did.?
Are you sure she had had him that long and wasn't just spinning you a story?
 

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He wasn't witnessed to be ill on arrival like you say, though, was he? He was witnessed to be ill two hours after his arrival. I'm sorry, but there has to be a first cough/snot. Before the first cough/snot you wouldn't know the horse was ill. Unless you can prove that first cough/snot happened before he was delivered, or that she had other horses with symptoms, I dont think you will succeed in suing her, and will just give yourself a load of grief trying.

Like Ester, I think he was likely a carrier and the stress of moving him triggered it. I think I would just try to be thankful that all three horses came through it with minor effects and a small vet bill.

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It reads to me more like he was a carrier and the move triggered it, as you don't say he was snotty/coughing when you saw him.

Indeed. The vet seeing him on the day doesn't necessarily prove he was symptomatic when she left home with him, or even on arrival.

WRT your own horses, basic biosecurity would've protected them from this, and it's not really the seller's fault you didn't isolate before introducing them. You might have grounds to return the pony or get back some money towards it specifically.
 

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Indeed. The vet seeing him on the day doesn't necessarily prove he was symptomatic when she left home with him, or even on arrival.

WRT your own horses, basic biosecurity would've protected them from this, and it's not really the seller's fault you didn't isolate before introducing them. You might have grounds to return the pony or get back some money towards it specifically.

I have to agree with this. If its a private sale and not a dealer you have less redress and then you have to prove that she knew when she sold it. With any horse that you buy there is risk.
 

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Although strangles is not a agri-dept of health notifiable disease in the uk, unlike other countries, the fact the seller has been told, and has other horses for sale, who presumably have been near the sold confirmed infected horse, then isnt the seller culpable for now knowingly spreading the disease by continuing to sell horses from a confirmed infected herd?

If i genuinly sold a horse who went on to develop strangles very soon after sale id be concerned for my remaining horses and certainly would pull all sales for 2 weeks to see if symptoms developed before resuming business.
Find it remarkable the seller ignored your aftersales calls and stated not to contact her, a dubious attitude for someone selling genuinely.
 

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Although strangles is not a agri-dept of health notifiable disease in the uk, unlike other countries, the fact the seller has been told, and has other horses for sale, who presumably have been near the sold confirmed infected horse, then isnt the seller culpable for now knowingly spreading the disease by continuing to sell horses from a confirmed infected herd?

If i genuinly sold a horse who went on to develop strangles very soon after sale id be concerned for my remaining horses and certainly would pull all sales for 2 weeks to see if symptoms developed before resuming business.
Find it remarkable the seller ignored your aftersales calls and stated not to contact her, a dubious attitude for someone selling genuinely.
The sellers herd are not confirmed with strangles, the buyers are.
I agree if I was the seller I would stop movement in and out of the yard for a while though.
 

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Unfortunately because strangles isn't a notifiable disease you are unlikely to get anywhere with legal action. Had reason to look into this a few years ago ?
 
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